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Letter from student about approaches:

At night I was at some sub shop looking for something to eat. After making an order, I see a girl sitting alone.

I noticed her book has no cover, thus looking like an antique book.

I took a few deep breaths and began making my way towards her. As I was approaching from behind, I decided to stand at an angle where she can see me just slightly

I asked her, “What kind of book is this that has no cover?” She turns to me with a protective smile. You know those smiles where it seems polite, but seems to be hiding true emotions?

Of course, the comfortability is not built in there yet, maybe that’s why she was giving me that half ass smile.

She told me the name of the book and I asked her to tell me a little about it.

However, the questions I was about to ask her, I reiterated them as statements, which was hard to do. Especially on the spot.

She told me the story of the book and how good it was. Then when I said, “Oh, you know the book pretty well…you probably finished it already.” She then admitted that she is only in chapter 5. I teased her about lying to me about the story, but she said that this is what the story is really about.

I took a seat and we began talking about her internship. Then we began talking about art and the gardner museum. I stated some random facts about the museum which she seemed a bit intrigued.

I could easily tell by her body language and how she would help extend the conversation that she was liking me. I even noticed it in her eyes as she never left the gaze. She leans in towards me as we began to talk more. She told me that she was 17 and in college, which makes her a pretty smart girl to be in college at such a young age. She actually looked at least 20. When my order was up, I just stood up casually and left. From the reflection on the door, I could see her watching me as I walked off into the dark.

I am beginning to see the IOI’s much better now than I have before. I know for a fact that I could’ve gotten a number close, or even a kiss, but at 17, it’s just not my thing. I’ll be damned if I pull an R-Kelly. But with the indicators of interests, here is what I saw:

1. Her gaze never left my eyes after I locked in.

2. Since I sat across from her, she would lean in closer as I would speak.

3. She would play with her hair as she listened to what I had to say

4. She loved my corny jokes, such as stating how her handshake was as elegant as the frail queen of England.

5. She had tons of stuff that she could’ve checked on, looked at, or even picked up. However, she never did any of that the moment I sat down.

6. Her smile seemed to be continuous, even when I wasn’t talking.

Since training hard on this subject of “pick up”, one thing that I had no clue on what to do was noticing IOI’s. I’m noticing a lot more now than I ever have, but the question now, is, what do I do from there? How many indicators do I need to press on a kiss or more extreme kino? How can I tell if I am wrong or not? If I lean in for a kiss and she pulls back, am I wrong for doing so? Am I wrong for thinking so? These are some parts in the subject of seduction that I need more help and emphasis on. I believe that if I can get more of an understanding on this part of seduction, I can get faster and better results in the end time. I feel like I always have to say, “Would you like to kiss me now?” or “I would love to kiss you now” is way over played, and like what the chick I met at Vegas said, “Why do men always have to ask before they kiss?” When is a good time to sneak one in?

Are you coming out tonight? If so, can we meet up earlier and discuss this before hand?

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Transcript sent from student about coaching (through girl as guest to party situation)

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me: my friend is having a small party tonight and i have a girl coming with me
how shouls i go about the nigh
im good at night game at big parties where its mostly grinding but im not so confident about a small house party
hey so she just asked me if she can bring friends
she has an annoying cockblock friend
whats a good way of telling her she cant?
cj: ur friends party, ur allowed to bring 1 guest
me: duh…
thanks
idk why i walways miss the simple stuff
she said ohh well i promised my firend ill go out with her tonight
cj: if you want her 2 come with cockblcok friend… tell her you’ll check with ur friend to make an axception. then wait a bit and tell her only one friend… that is if u want cockblock. myself, i would blow it off as in ok we’ll make it another night… to girl than later tell her what a phenomenal fun she missed. shows take her or leave her attitude and that she needs to make special accomodations 4 u which girls will do once you get their attarction/rap
me: she actually menioned another friend who im good with and shouldnt be a paroblem
cj: generally its best to stand your ground
she may be testing yoy if she sees u switch original stand u may come across as too supplicating… which is not attractive to girls
once i made a statement i stick to it
she then knows she has to accomodate to guy (what girls like to do) not guy aaccomomdating to her( girls find unattractive and too needy)… sticking toguns now may lead to more deeper attraction next time… u have girls all over your life. if sheis lucky enough for a chance to hang with u she learns to accomodate to what offers u give her
me: thanks
im at this girls place we were studying and now were watching a movie
i tried to escalate but she went to the kitchen and then went to sit on another couch
what can i do now
cj: well, your there now?
me: yes
cj: have u escalated before w/ her?
me: i tried she was ok with itfor a little but then she went to the kitchen and sat on another couch when she cme back
cj: sometimes i may say hey come sit here ( happily and patting place next to you) i want to show you somethinglike palm reading…
me: idk plam reading
what else can i use
cj: take her hand she her one of the lines on her palm and tell her it is a river. then pointide of the rivertell her there is an apple tree on that side of the river. then pint to the other side (you are holding her hand in yours this whole time)
and tell her bob and sue are on the other side of the river
then ask her how do bob and sue get across the frozen river to pick an apple
she’ll probably say they’ll walk the river is frozen
then you say if the river is frozen then its winter and there are no apples
you both can laught at thesilly joke but now you’ve been holding her hand for some time put it down after the joke but she should be morewarmed up to slow escalation at least off handed affection
me: i di that and she didnt find it funny and went back to her seat
cj: we’ll practice your deliverywhen we meetup again. she may be in ana off mood but who knows. if she was fine, then something crossed her mind to change things…
depending on her mood, i might tellher that she seems a little stressed, she should sit on floor in fornt of me between legs so i can rub her shoulders
like everything, may work or may not but u never know till u try. are u guys talking about stuff… do u know to seduce in conversation
me: no how do i do that
cj: first i like to bring up an imagination topic, to free up both of our minds if you couldwake tmrw anywhere in the world where would it be
then she tells me. i ask her why what about the place drew herto pick it
then sensually talk about all the details sights sounds smells of foodfeelings of temperaturetasted of foods theream imagination plane then maybe play in her imagination
ok if we were there tomorrow what the first thing we could do then talk about exploring the placetogether
the ni might say you know those fleeting moments when you feel truely alive while looking at herknowingly with a smirk
i love these moments
do you remember a time that everything was absoloutly prfect and you felt on top of the world
then id ask her to decribe that time while off handedly touching her while i was asking her for detailsadding on to her descriptions
id watch her face while she talks… not even so much on the eyes but roaming around her face her shoulders her neck then back to her face
every so often while she is talking i would look at her face stop my gaze lick my own as i imagined kissing her then back to listening
every time i spoke it would be lowand deep words spoken slowly elongating the vowels pronouncng carefully even when i was speakingi might gaze around her face pasue on her lips and pause mid sentence of what i was saying lick my bottom lip then keep talking
me: tha nks
her roomates just showed up so imight need to hold off on that till tomorrow
cj: that might have been why she held off to prevent things getting too hot then having her roommated walk in
girls do that if she guessed when they’s be back

“Dedication is what I would bring to the learning table ” ~Student who inquired about next Vegas event

“Hey It was great hanging out. I learned A LOT. I learned that I worry too much about what is going to happen ad how things are going to play out. The problem with this line of thinking is in many ways it prevents anything from actually ahppening. Also if something was to get started… how am I to know if its going too play out like the fantasy that is going on in my head.

Im too emotional way too quick and keep thinking about what ifs. I think If I were to focus on just chatting with a girl and not caring about an outcome or thinking of one I should be fine. I need to let go of how I have seen things play out in the past and roll int the future.

There are lots of things you have said tonight that Im hanging onto, like “You owe her as much as the time you have spent with her”. Im going to be focusing on that and what kind of mood and attitude I need to have in order to achieve talking to someone without thinking too much.

Another one of my issues is after I get the convo going… as I did tonight with Amy, I end up running out of crap to talk about.

A fix for this would be to figure out what im going to be talking about beforehand. I like what you said about get them talking and just sit back and let them talk and do all the listening.

I need to get out and practice more.

Keep me posted about what your up to….. also, Im going to look into Vegas for the weekend of the 29th. That would be a fucking blast.” ~Lestat138

About a guy many coaches called hopeless, I figured out what would get him progress:

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RE: Clear violation of the rules

(11-01-2011 06:26 PM)Serendipitous Wrote: Achilles will not find the help he needs in this community.

He’s just as guilty of antagonizing and breeding negativity as anyone else.

I move to vote him out of the community based on these reasons.

HE WILL AND HE HAS!!!

PERSONALLY I HAVE WORKED WITH HIM, from a difference in two sessions.

First was at Night GSF, where I too felt he was hopeless, and a man of suckage..

To ask for futher help like he was demanding what he expected due to him

even without any regard to help been given him by me so far.

I wrote a post about this I saw, if I can find where I post it I will put link here [URL]

He has difference to other guys like well do.

Once I learned his differences, I worked with him again, Daytime.

Through 4 sets I saw his dramatic increase in progress so well, I was thankful he asked to be video’d.

From set 1 to set 4 you can see him improving in each one based on feedback to be a completely different level of progress,, signifigantly noticed by him, and viewer and most importantly the girls he was talking to.

They became warm to him much quicker in the 4th set than the first set based on the significant difference in how he was structuring things, with video to remind him what got him those differences.

Sure we are 3.4 billion different men on this planet, each with a snowflake to our imprint.

Serendipitous Wrote:He’s just as guilty of antagonizing and breeding negativity as anyone else.

That is absolutely not true & I will have credible, variable reference to this point I make. Either quoted here or directly on the thread he is in.

Check the both if you would like to fact-check with me.

Serendipitous Wrote:I move to vote him out of the community based on these reasons.

Absolutely NOT! (Yes you may vote whatever you want, I was just stating my wholehearted disagreement with, and I will explain why)

This is a mirror image of the newbie at Night GSF (of months ago) that you moved in to his set to cockblock him and highjack set.

Your first rational to me as I asked about it, was that the girl was eye-fucking you and wanted you..
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Does that interpretable claim seem like accurate enough reason to walk over, get in man’s set, and gum it up for him?

When I stated what I observed from an outside perspective, and regardless if what you claimed was true (although you didn’t even hook her as long as he did before you ejected him) you further that by telling me: “Well I just don’t like him”

Not only did you disregard my comments that those moves and motivations were unacceptable, so did some of the 4 other lair guys who were at Lir with us that night state to you.

After several of us were in mini-pow-wows trying to figure out the nature & rational of the moves.

With different members who were present, I was in conversations…and then from one party or the other I heard about other conversations about this same incident. (I have yet to say who, but that reason comes up later in this post. )

I continuously tried to understand what you didn’t like about this newbie since you still gave me no concrete or any reason.

Regardless of what I spent times in discussions with you, other lair guys present when that happened, and my personal reflection…

I did those things out of friendship

The thing is., regardless if I spent the time doing it for you, it STILL DOES NOT make the action right.

or acceptable from a person with a leadership standpoint.

Guys have repeatedly muffle their complaints about you out of fear of losing their membership here.

Can’t wonder too long why since some things are stated as immediate punishment without warning.

A guy under that M.O. has no chance to slip up & make a mistake then learn from it to correct his future actions..

He feels as if he walks on eggshells, and might lose something very valuable by doing something he didn’t know was wrong.er to make an judgement, or a statement of absolute before I am sure, so far the only similarity between that guy at Lir months ago & Achilles is their culture.

This is another example of why I vehemently oppose, a ‘no-mistake policy’ within the Symposium.

Men make mistakes

Men come to this group for self improvement on a variey of levels
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Mistakes are some of the best lessons available.

For a policy, when it comes to mistakes

Let’s take breaking a rule that is written in the Symposium rules.

Every guy reads that at a different amount of careful thought through it.

Some terms used go undefined within rules. (see my post on Flaming for excellent example)

So then with a definition, each guy may make his own definition that may not agree with what is meant in rules, or how other guys interpret term (see Achilles post of Plowing) Although he had credible references to his point, guys were opposing his point, arguing what is meant, that didn’t know what the term means

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Sry I am only able to get to these boards once or less per day.
If for ANY reason u need/want or just would like to contact me

PLEASE feel free to to use this: (Cellphone call/text 857-544-1943 24hrs) or cj@thebostondatingcoach.com goes directly to my phone.

Reply to quesstions about ‘one night stands’

Cj Siege
What reference of ‘one night stand’ do you speak of? That is not my territory & I don’t recommend them. Never did the ‘one night stand’ thing… Waitammint, one time, just after high school. …See More
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But w/ no need, I gauge person pretty damn quickly… Regardless, I would not sleep w/ a woman unless she had done more than just catch my attention, Rather if I detect she can potentially hold that attention later too…If I feel value in her energy/person I’d enjoy more of again & again. There’s no want/need 2 have sex just 4 sex when I can make love.;..and make love in the moments we share. When I can bring breathless pleasure to her & enjoy top-shelf/high quality woman whenever I feel like…I’m not going to waste time to go the store to pick up a single wine cooler when Dom is on tap wherever I go..

First date sex, a girl’s perspective.

Name: Christy || Location: Northeast , Arkansas |Question: I had a first date last night after heavy online flirting.  Date ended in makeout session but when I left & today I get distinct feeling that something is up.  Is it because I didn’t have sex with him?  Why can men not give us a few dates before they “ditch” us?  I would have loved to have torn his clothes off but I think it is more sensible to have a few dates & learn more.  Anticipation is sometimes a good thing as well. We went to his place to watch a rented movie after supper.  This is a relatively small town, we live in a DRY county (in the 21st century no less).  All there is to do is a movie in some form, bowling, putt putt golf during the summer.  If any bands are playing, it is usually on the weekend and we went out on a weeknight because he & his son were going out of town for Father’s Day this weekend.

It was honestly “making out.”  Mostly kissing.  Some breathing in the ear and probably the heaviest it got was his kissing my cleavage and I did stick my hand down the back of his shirt because I had been rubbing his neck.  He didn’t try to unbutton anything or pull off anything of mine, and vice versa.

I did rub his forehead some because he was looking really relaxed and he said “I’ll bet you give good massages” and I just said something flirty back.  Was I supposed to offer?  Was that a hint?!?  I wanted to have sex with him, BAD. (he never said “let’s get naked” or “let’s take this to the bedroom”) But I always think that is a sure way to end things after one date.  Why can it not wait?  It’s hard for me to wait, too.  Why can’t the guy?

I guess that deep down, I feel like the “he’s not into me” philosophy in the book is correct:  if a guy likes you, he’s going to take the time to contact you.  I was a little disappointed because I didn’t even get any inclination as to if he would call me back.  Also, we were on IM at the same time this morning before he went out of town & he didn’t initiate any conversation.  So I guess I’m thinking, if he’s into me, he would at least say “have a good weekend” or something.  But I got nothing.  Guess I’m questioning – is the “he’s not into you” philosophy spot on?  Do some men divert from this behavior?

I feel incredibly stupid.  I am trying to enjoy the fact that I went out a date with a really good looking man who was smart and funny, and thinks I’m sexy.  But I would really like to go out with him again, and I’m second guessing myself.  I feel bad for wanting more when I should be happy with the fact that it was a good date with great conversation (yes, we did talk too lol) and definite attraction.  But I want another date, some more chances to do other things together (yes including sex).

You just see all these articles about “what men think” about various situations.  And maybe because I’m a woman I don’t see any “what women think” articles, but after seeing this other article, I just thought that men need to know why we won’t sleep with them on a 1st date.  Because a lot of you disappear afterward?  Because, just maybe, anticipation is just as good…taking time to know each other a little more, so you can show even more about yourself to the other person; traits that they might find makes you even more attractive to them? Stimulation through conversation shared on the first few (or several) dates can make the sex even better.

So the young Jedi Rabbit, point out the valley full of fertile girl bunnies:

“Hey Jedi Master, C.J. “Silly Rabbit” Siege. Why don’t we run down there and tease those hott bunnies all over the field, maybe we can phuck one of them!” The young Jedi Rabbit asked his guru.

Years of Jedi service that ‘Silly Rabbit C.J.’ had been through had taught him many things.

15 years of enjoying everything that brought him where he is now, to continue to enjoy & teach aspiring Young Skywalkers to learn the Field, to learn the force(s) with in every field, …

Those forces like variables, never the same, each one had to be careful adapted to to capitalize on best possible opportunities available…..So many years to learn this finely tuned calibration..

This calibration, although decade above the aspiring Skywalkers, had finally learned that road had just begun.

From all that time, jam packed with and endless supply of ongoing lessons, the largest most prevalent lesson that Jedi Master :silly Rabbit’ had learned was that:

This one thing that stood above all else:

To spite what he’s learned and teaches, he is at the most clearest place, ever known throughout his life..

That compared to what there is know, all the info, all the variables about the 3.4 billion X 3.4 billion combinations going that are still growing.

Compared to what there is to know

Jedi Master ‘Silly Rabbit; virtually knew nothing.

Nothing, not even to scratch the surface.

Not even a grain of sand on the whole beach of what there is to know, he hadn’t even begun..

So yes, “Silly Rabbit” was the name he grew into, he earned from the largest revelation that had come to him yet, was the same understand that led to his growth to have happened at such a rate do fast since it started….

But now, he was virtually ready to discard, the titles of guru & Master, which he heard frequently and still made him smile..

When everything boiled down, he was at a more peaceful place, still sharing everything that has brought him thus far, so far,

He felt his smile from a deeper place as he embraced his new found name & title “Silly Rabbit”

He was at a deeper place of peace with himself & the world, at a more generous place of giving all he has learned thus far, but without all the extraneous expectation and feelings it may be too much on his shoulders.

He felt he could sit simply, on the peak of the hill he now shared with this young aspiring Sky-walker, sharing a bowl of rice, and say:

“Well” says the old bull “Why don’t we WALK down & phuck em all” because of course,

no matter how old he gets,

or wise he becomes,

he will always know,

hold on to,

and cherish the fact that:

“Tricks are for kids”

as he once again found the understanding

About the energy that lies within us all

Is in larger amounts than ‘Infinity’ could count

lasts a duration longer than “Eternity’ could measure

Has the utmost innocence of an infant,

but is completely Internal

which is what became his term for this new understanding, this new eye of his that noticed detail he was previously blind to.:

“Infanternal” (c) C.J. “Silly Rabbit” Siege, 2010/2011

now as the

“Infanternal Silly Rabbit” he knew that life would never be the same, never go back, or fall below par.

It had been increasing and growing at an amazing rate over the last course of seasons..

and everything was very clear that to continue inthat growth at aan ever increasing rate was all it could do from here.

and he was very thankful so he smiled.

Synthesization about what he’s learned about boastful comments with girls

Conversation Article 1: Demonstrating Higher Value (DHV)

 

You cannot brag about yourself. Bragging is demonstrating lower value (DLV), it shows that you are overly cocky, and it just makes it look like you’re trying way to hard to pick them up. However, there is a way of demonstrating higher value (DHV) without bragging about yourself.

 

One way to DVH your self is by[private] story telling. True stories about your self can create a picture of what it is like to be in your life. When you tell stories about your self, this is demonstrating who and what you are as a person.

 

Here is some other ways to DHV yourself:

 

-Being the protector of loved ones

-Being the leader among men

-Being preselected by women

-Being willing to talk about emotions

-Being non needy or outcome dependent

-Not being emotionally affected

-Being socially aware or intelligence

-Doing things that “suitors” wouldn’t do

-Having a strong frame of mind

-Knowing interesting things

-Stimulating a woman’s emotions

-Being socially in demand

-Being able to emotionally correct

-Having a sense of humor

-Well groomed

 

Now there is one thing that men make a mistake of: Not talking about your ex girlfriend. It’s one thing to talk NICE things about your ex, and another thing to BAD talk about your ex. Talking nice things about your ex shows that you are not being emotionally affected by the break up and that women are preselecting you. You can also talk about your chick friends as well to build on the comfort ability and that women are preselecting you.

 

Having access to resources is another way to DHV your self. Among your family and friends, you got resources to all kinds. So it’s a good idea to know what your friends and family do for a living, because who knows?…they might be useful. 

~DSM

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Reply to student about coaching format:

When it comes to reading your summary, that is excellent information for me to know where you are working from.
That way I can refine what I teach you to be most specifically related to where you are at and usable by you right away to see immediate results.

I’ll talk about social circle differences, after but let;s start with the other ones you wanted first, then we can build from there.

Having little to none approach anxiety is the best place to be learning, since you can quickly try things out to get faster progression through the levels within all of this.

[[Re:  I have prepared a number of scripts that I have memorized]]Yes, by using all memorized scripted things, it can be a bit of a sticking point getting back  to real life, in the moment at hand conversation.

We will go over some of these as “Skills & Drills” exercises so you are already starting to practice the new skills I teach right away.

That leads you to be more active about what you a re learning & customizing it to your specific personality as you go along.

There are also some listening skills exercises, we can go over. By increasing that, I can help you to increase your calibration to capitalize on the clues girls drop throughout conversations all the time.

Along with discussion, I can show you some example to start your thinking in the right direction”

Letter to student about loudening voice

Sophia fatale

Beginer, I would suggest practicing your volume with store clerks and the
like. Most of us feel loud enough is actually too loud but once you
get it working you will see differences.

Store clerks are great for this because you only take to them a few
minutes and you will see an increase of respect and that they are
helping you more efficiently. Once you start practicing thins, you can
build it into your habit and girls find a loud deep voice to be very
alpha, very attractive.

How student synthesizes what he’s learning:

[[Think of the field as a common ground for research. You, as the scientist, should go out and try new and innovative things. Try out different styles of clothes and see the reactions of other people. Try out various methods of opening and find out which style suits you. Go extreme with your actions; because if you don’t go to the extreme, you will never know where the limits begins and ends.]]

by Siege from his BlackBerry.

Incoming letter

Hey man,

Previously I had contacted you to ask about coaching and found that I neither had the time nor cash to pay Sad although I EAT YOUR ONLINE PRODUCTS FOR BREAKFAST!!

Reply to student asking about openers

You like this.

Cj Siege Tell her this: “hey I noticed you from over there & had to come over & say hi. see what ur like…” It doesn’t say more than u mean, nor is it trying too hard to maintain a status of any sort …just clear, direct, honest & to the point. Like any new interaction, yes her beauty has draw you over, but u want to see what she is like before u decide further
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THIS starts the momentum in exactly the right place, she now knows she hasn’t won you over with her looks alone, you want to see what she is like AND THAT will decide how things go from then on.

Begin the chase in the right way! (Her to you)

Getting her to be wanting sex from you

RE: Siege’s adventures, games & puzzles
The next step in my (“Getting Her Chasing You”) method, is putting it on her. I learned most all of my stuff from growing up with girls & having lots of girls in my life. That is what taught me how to flip the coin in the chase.

The techniques that get them chasing at first ‘hello’ all the way to having them beg for sex and every step along the process. Since girls have been chased their whole life it is like a breath of fresh air for them. They are getting rewarded for what they do, not just the fact that they are a girl and are hott. Their reward in my methods is for the actions they take in chasing the man.

DSmoothMike Wrote:
I had a cigg in my hand and I noticed this girl taking out a smoke. I wanted to try something out…

I walked up to her very casually. I dropped into a lean on the wall, and said to her very slowly and seductively, “I know it sounds a bit…random….hmm….do you want to butt fuck?”

(In smoking terms it means that you get someones lit cigarette and light yours with theirs.)

She laughs and said, “Hell yeah, I want to butt fuck!” takes my cigarette and lights hers. Then she gives my smoke to her friend so she can light hers. “Now look,” she says, “now you’re butt fucking two women.” I slid my hand down her lower back and ass cheeks “Oh really?” I responded. I took a puff and said, “Was it good for you?” and they began laughing. The girl then said, “This guy just walked up to me and gave me these fliers and I have nowhere to put them!” I took a puff, flicked the smoke away and said, “I know EXACTLY where to put them…” I stepped in front of her, stared deep into her eyes, took one flyer, gently placed it inside her bra while caressing the breast. Took the other flyer and did it with the other boob. She was totally going for it when her friend decided to take her back into the other club.

That is phucking awesome,
You have synthesized what I teach in incredible ways! From before I showed you that girls love talking sex, especially under the radar which is a huge part that I learned from seeing girls in my life since childhood communicating with each other in subtextual ways. Interweaving sexual topics where two meanings can easily fit brings out available magical moments to capture.

The next step in my (“Getting Her Chasing You”) method, is putting it on her. I learned most all of my stuff from growing up with girls & having lots of girls in my life. That is what taught me how to flip the coin in the chase.

The techniques that get them chasing at first ‘hello’ all the way to having them beg for sex and every step along the process. Since girls have been chased their whole life it is like a breath of fresh air for them. They are getting rewarded for what they do, not just the fact that they are a girl and are hott. Their reward in my methods is for the actions they take in chasing the man.

It is the same stuff they do to guys and when talking to other girls, in different ways back to them.

For one example, using a bit of plausable deniability back on the girl. Plausable deniability as referenced to how girls accept going back to a SNL location for other reasons.

They want to have sex with you on the inside, but logically, in dialog they are going to watch that youtube video you were talking about. You can use plausablie deniabilty in your favor as she sees it, then she feels like the pursuer and does what she knows how to to fulfill that role.

The Siege at cafe Wrote:
Ex. As in when HB waitress listening to me teasing her aboout lack of a joyful greeting she says “I know, I suck.”

My next comments are “Whoa missy, slow down! We just met and already you’re suggesting mischief. Let’s get to know each other a little better first!” in a playful smirk…

…which instantly puts her in blushy playful places, easily guided to their most escalatable place.

A girls imagination is a wonderful place to play in. She wont feel the need to hesitate or resist since it is all a joke, just playfull banter.

Or is it?

In a girl’s imagination those place can bring them arousal just as fast (actually faster and deeper) than physical stimulation on its own.

Another reason while talk during sexy time dramatically increases the amounts of pleasure she feels, from before foreplay to foreplay to orgasm.

The next thing to do is to tell her to slow down, accusing her of the one bringing things up.

You maintain that she is doing things to you, and you are resisting her. Then you can slowly be ‘dropping your (playfully pretended) resistance’ as she will increase her persistance in response to that.

If you didn’t have a GF , I would explain more about what can be done to capitalize on the friend, keeping her from pulling your target girl away but that’s another branch of this topic. I’ll write about that in my own Personal Progress Thread (PPT) if you remind me too.

What you did in the first example I quoted was great, escalating things already in a way better than above average guys. Yet let me take the example and put myself in that place to think of what could be tried to see how far it can go. I’ll imagine I am where you were at:

C.J. “The Siege Wrote:
With a cigg in my hand, I noticed a girl taking a smoke out of the pack.

As I walk up to her very casually, I dropped into a lean on the wall, and said to her very slowly and seductively, “I know it sounds a bit…random….hmm….do you want to butt fuck?” with a playful smirk

(In smoking terms it means that you get someones lit cigarette and light yours with theirs.)

She laughs and says, “Hell yeah, I want to butt fuck!”

She then takes my cigarette and lights hers. Then she gives my smoke to her friend so she can light hers.

“Now look,” she says, “now you’re butt fucking two women.”

With locked eyes & a playful smirk, I slide my hand down her lower back and ass cheeks missy saying: “Whoa missy, slow down…” in a lower, deeper voice “You might be getting me turned on enough to try things I never dreamed of…” (smirk indreases) “…before I met you.”

Now you can see in that last part, my actions are doing one thing while my words are saying something completely different. This is a key thing to remember & use, that I will elaborate with a variety of examples in my PPT. I will also break down the sentence itself, so another with the key componants that make it work can be adapted to any situation.

Now there are a few different examples of what comments could come next, depending on how she responds to that & even before she responds since most likely she’ll be taken aback for a good moment or two, soaking in what is happening.

Which having that moment of her soaking it in, gives you the time to slide in the next possible leading directions but I’ll cover that in another post

keep it

up & the magic has nothing to do but grow!!

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Part of note from guy helped in field

[private]“I have to give HUGE props to CJ, aka Siege. Not only is he a great teacher and knows his stuff, but its obvious that he genuinely cares and wants us to learn. With just a few words, he has this weird/amazing ability to whittle away all the bullshit and excuses I make for myself and get me to approach.”

Thanks Ender, great progress today

 

~C.J.

 

 

 

 

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dancing note from student:

Via SMS;
“I brought a 36 yr old home from middlesex last tuesday using ur [private] ‘come to me’ dancing technique
~D-O Double-G” [/private]

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Push/pull can be laid on too thick.

Cool, I’ll just take one point at a time. Let’s start with this. :

Student: “And I insulted this particular girl when I commented on her clothes. I told her that she was wearing all black and told her that if she’s going to a funeral.[private] I should’ve just made a quick comment on it like, “Okay you look nice, but you’re wearing all black, you going to a funeral? =)” with a big smile on my face. Oh yeah I remember what ticked her off, I said after that, “Who dressed you up? your mom?” Then she got pissed. I think I went too much push on that one. ”

You only need one push or one playful insult/tease at a time. Then you can balance it out with a pull or a playful flirt back at her after it.If you have one joke, she’ll take it as playful but if you keep making negative comments about the same thing about her, she is bound to take you too seriously.

Once you have joked about something about her, move on and change the subject unless she gets playfully defensive. If she does get playfully defensive, you can later tease her in the same way but don’t keep giving her shit about her clothes. in different ways, then she’ll take you seriously.

Good experimentation, that is what will teach you the best ways to do all of these things.

~C.j. [/private]

About dating several girls and open relationships

Letter from student after discussion of girls in his life. I asked him to re-write the ideas we discussed so he will have his imagination working to structure the ideas to his own life and I can see how well he understands what we talked about.

“I haven’t defined my relationship with Anna,[private] so that’s good. When other girls (Jenny, Amy) see Anna with me or admiring me, they will see me as a high value commodity. They will have the need to not screw things up with me.

You can off-handedly admit you’re dating girls, but don’t mention other girls’ names. It’s possible to have an open relationship with one “main.” Also you can just have several that you see regularly.

After my band plays, I’ll tell all of them that I will give them a call when I’m done packing up. I will give whoever I want to hang with a call and let them know what bar/party I’m going to.

What do I need to do/say to a girl to have an open relationship? Should I wait till she gives me the “talk?”"”

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How I replied:

> I haven’t defined my relationship with Anna, so that’s good.

Well, you have & that’s good. You introduced her as your friend. Girls hear that stuff and note that in their head. I have many time introduced girls that I hook up with as my friend. That keeps them understanding that .there are no guarantees with you and they were lucky to have the intimate time with you and maybe if they continue to be a beneficial part to your life, they may get more.

Sometimes when girls do want more they will drift but as long as they have certain bases covered in their mind (spending enough time, how time spent, etc) covers what they want for themselves, then that is ok too.

If you have already introduced her as your friend, you probably wont have to cover that again. Most girls will take the label they heard and leave it there.

When other
> girls (Jenny, Amy) see Anna with me or admiring me, they will see me as a
> high value commodity.
Yes, a guy who is wanted by other girls is instantly a guy they want more than your average guy. It shows he is a guy valued by other women, that other women want to spend time with him and the reasons the other women made this decision must be a good one if they already made it.

They will have the need to not screw things up with
> me.
They see that if they do, you have your choice of women to pick from so they will be working to be the best choice you have to choose from.
>
> You can off-handedly admit you’re dating girls, but don’t mention other
> girls’ names.
Yes girls don’t mind when guys are dating other girls, as long as they feel like star of the show when she and guy are together. It is fine to offhandedly refer to this fact sparingly. They will hear it and make a note in their head. ..yet I recommend there is never a reason to mention any other girls specifically when with a one girl.

It’s possible to have an open relationship with one “main.”
It is possible that way and it is also possible to have several regulars to your life, although it can get complicated managing time and not mixing up details about each. There are also ways to avoid doing that though.

> Also you can just have several that you see regularly.

> After my band plays, I’ll tell all of them that I will give them a call when
> I’m done packing up. I will give whoever I want to hang with a call and let
> them know what bar/party I’m going to.

> What do I need to do/say to a girl to have an open relationship?

Should I
> wait till she gives me the “talk?”

No, it is easier to have subtle but honest iindications prior to the talk. This way a new girl is accomidating to your needs and wants as the time you guys know each other goes on. Then it isn’t a “”I want this X or I want somebody who can give me this X in a relationship.”"


Let d’Adventure Continue

~C.J. “The Siege” © 2011

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The Field is your experiment lab:

Passage from student:

[Private]“Think of the field as a common ground for research. You, as the scientist, should go out and try new and innovative things. Try out different styles of clothes and see the reactions of other people. Try out various methods of opening and find out which style suits you. Go extreme with your actions; because if you don’t go to the extreme, you will never know where the limits begins and ends.”

~DSM [/private]

Student thanks me for help

[private]“”"I’m doing the writeup here for Saturday night at White Horse right now and even though I’m gonna be covering all this in more detail for my personal progress thread I just wanted to get at you personally while I’m feeling this pure gratitude and excitement and overall happiness to have met you. And specifically while I am writing this thread on Saturday thank you for not just setting the groundwork that allowed me to be so effective in so many different areas and sets so quickly and efficiently that night but also specifically for pushing me back into that set for the SNL after I came to you and explained how I was feeling down and like I had fucked it up when some time had gone by after I should have already pulled and we were approaching closing time. You telling me how maybe I did fuck it up but how maybe I didn’t and the only way to know is to go back in … and then I went back in and it actually worked and I was able to pull after I thought I blew it… Which would NOT have happened if I had been left to my own devices and had not had that extra push from you! so yea… thanks man. I appreciate that and that SNL that night was definitely on you and I owe you way more than one at this point.

and you know just in general if you hadn’t taught me about winging and plowing and pulling back during t-game I wouldn’t have known how to go about it in my night game and shit was just on point because you had set me up with that groundwork.

So thank you. “”"[/private]

D-O Double-G’s Audio of his sets:

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Letter from student

[private]“Hey Siege,

I got your text message. First off, I wanted to apologize. I’ve been very busy recently and haven’t responded promptly to your messages. And you’ve been very understanding about that. Thanks.

That being said, I think I need to take a week or two off from our training. I haven’t been keeping up with school and I need to play a bit of catch up. I’m not really sure about how you keep track of time or how much we have left, but I think you have definitely put in way way more than the hours I paid for! I feel very satisfied with our work together.

Let’s reconnect in a week or two and see where we stand.

Have a great time in New Orleans, it’s an absolutely great city!”[/private]

Letter from guy I helped, first night:

[private]Last night’s exploration into the field hugely altered my perception of what I’m capable of. This was my first experience A) meeting with other guys for the purpose of discussing and practicing pickup and B) approaching a large number of strange woman in the space of a single night.
First of all, I want to stress that my state of mind as I followed my GPS into Boston was very apprehensive. As I got close to the address where group was supposed to meet up, there was this hope/fear that I was just gonna drive past it, turn around, go home and abandon the whole thing. I really felt so unsure of myself that it seemed possible that I might do this.
Then before I knew it, I was inside the Starbucks and sitting in a circle of strange men discussing this thing called “pickup.” I remember thinking that everybody must be staring at me and judging me and thinking I’m some kind of loser for being there. I was being very concious of my posture and extremely analytical of everything I said. Then, at one point, I just got into the groove, and realized that everybody else was there for the exact same reason I was. And furthermore, it was probably pretty likely that some of them were feeling the exact same self conciousness I was.
I think this is when I began feeling the camaraderie. There is a certain type of bonding that happens between even total strangers in high stress situations, and I think that’s why this type of group sarging must be so helpful. Because there’s no way I would have been able to, for the first time ever, make the approaches I made last night if I didn’t have my new friends right there to bounce right back to afterwards and feel that positive social proof. It’s sort of like being able to run across a hot sandy beach because you’re about to jump into a cool ocean.
Mad thanks to CJ for taking me on as his wing last night. As soon as we stepped into the first club he was up and talking to two beautiful girls within seconds. Now, I want to stress how quickly things changed here for me, because in this first interaction, I just felt completely impotent and retarded. I wasn’t even the one opening the set, but once again, I felt that everybody was staring at me and judging me. I remember being very aware of not knowing what to do with my hands. When it was over, CJ gave me some good tips on what to do as a wing, I handed him one of his four five dollar bills back and then he said, “your turn.”
Now, in this moment I was right back to where I was before I walked into Starbucks. I wanted to bail. I felt like I had signed up to go skydiving but sorta felt it was a joke all along and now all of a sudden we were five thousand feet up and they were opening the airplane door and gesturing for me to jump. I briefly considered running out the door and back to my car. I seriously did.
How the fuck are woman so scary to us? They’re just chicks.
I guess the most useful thing I can say about those first couple of interactions is that I started out small. Real small. Like, “Hey how are you doing tonight? What game is this you’re watching? Oh yeh? Well, seeya.” Really dumb shit.
But this worked. It was exactly what I needed right at the beginning. Because I walked into that bar carrying my long running perception that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO APPROACH STRANGE WOMAN OUT OF NOWHERE. Though never explicitly voiced, I think now that I must have held this belief for a long time.
But now, I had in fact done just that. Sure, all I did was babble out some retarded bullshit. But nobody punched me. My heart didn’t explode. I didn’t jizz in my pants in front of them. In fact, even those first few girls whom I don’t believe were genuinely interested, even they at least smiled and exchanged a few words back.
After that, things got different pretty quick. I still had a ton of fear, but now, totally, out of nowhere, all of-a-fucking-sudden, I had this understanding that girls can be approached and talked to, by me. And in the interactions that followed, the amazing thing is, that I actually got to have fun talking to some of these girls. There was at least one I talked to that I really liked, and seemed to have some real chemistry with.
Now I’ve spent years party hopping and club hopping. I’ve spent hundreds of nights in bars with cumulative thousands of girls in them. How many of these girls that I passed through the years may be somebody I really could enjoy getting to know and spend quality time with? I’LL NEVER KNOW BECAUSE I NEVER TALKED TO THEM!
At the height of it, suddenly, I found myself in a conversation with an honest-to-God 10. An actual 10. I didn’t even open her, I opened her friend next to her and then all of sudden this 10 was up on me. At first I thought she was mad at me (because she was sort of yelling at me,) but then, all of a sudden, we were having a genuine conversation. Meanwhile my brain is screaming at me, “Son, you are not cut out for this encounter! Abandon ship!” But I just ignored it and kept talking. And before I knew it, I was having fun. I actually think that she was attracted to me.
At some point, all this female interaction just got me really, really, high. I had a blast out there.
So, to recap, I feel I had something of a major breakthrough last night. I began the night almost to scared to even walk into the pre-game meetup at Starbucks, and ended up having some awesome interactions with beautiful women. I think the most important stuff I learned was:

1. Start small, walk around and say hi to everybody. Make eye contact and smile. If you’re scared, start with little conversations to experience little good results. If you’re already walking around and talking to lots of people it’s not gonna feel so awkward to go up to a girl.
2. Have some good dudes with you and use that feeling up brotherhood. Walk back over to your friends when you’re feeling frazzled or nervous or whatever. Get some positive energy going, and then bounce back into a set. Remember, you’re cool, look at you, you’re there with a bunch of cool guys who are all talking to hot women!
3. All that crazy shit in your head telling you that this is impossible, all that crap, even if it’s been there for years can be blown out really quickly by new experiences. But there’s no other way to do it. Just jump in.
4. Most important, as soon as you get a little momentum, you start having fun, then boom. There’s your whole source of energy to go and open more sets. As soon as you get a couple good conversations under your belt, look around the room and find some guys with no game. They’re the ones sitting at a table with their drinks and no women. Look at those dudes! They have no juice at all, and you’ve just talked to some cute girl and made her laugh! You’re the man! Now go talk to another one!

I just want to conclude this report with an awesome story. I’ve been working for like a year now at a Whole Foods, where I frequently see cute girls shopping. Sometimes they come through my line. Sometimes I talk to them. So there’s this one girl, not the hottest girl in the world, but a cute girl, that I’ve talked to a few times when she’s come through. She happened to be there eating lunch while I was on my lunch break today. I sat there and had lunch with her, had a good conversation, and I the end, I said, just real simply, “We should hang out.” She said yeh, and I said, “Give me your number.” And then she gave me her number! I’ve been wanting to do something like that for a year, something that simple, and have not been able to do it until now!
I just wanna say thanks to CJ and everybody else who was there and helped me out last night. I am like a new man today. Let’s do it again soon!
-Macro[/private]

letter back to student (hawthorne 2/6)

[private]Re: preplan

(Ex. Basketball study, relate to social)

Great to have a plan in mind. Then you remember to get things covered..even in a random order.

Asking her about dating is a great way to easily transition about your dating ways, the fav t that you are dating other women whatever.

That’s a great one to keep in your toolbox, it’s great for me to know you know that one already.

[[As above, the strengths you already have and learning to be tweaking them in the best directions...plus some attraction generation tools will bring you great success. If it was casual dating with several girls in your life that you wanted, you are in a great place to start from. Understanding levels of how girls work and already communicating in ways like they do is awesome]]]

RE: The use of questions sometimes that girls ask. I learned that one from girls in my life. Sometimes girls will ask questions of things they want to be asked…which may be the reason they are asking at all.

That is why it is great opportunity to be teasing, giving vauge answers to new girls you met, then asking them the same question back.

Before you know if you’ll like a girl or not, she will be telling you the info to have a clearer picture of who she is. She will also be working to qualify herself to you rather than vice versa. You are a high quality guy and have high quality people that live up to your standards.

This also keeps her working to please you in a subtle way. Anther place more satisfying for both the girl & the guy…

About being vague and redirecting with a girl you just met. Since you just met her and don’t know if you want her in your world yet, you have nothing to prove until you find value inher.

This also keeps you mysterious, which girls love at first and does increase the level of attraction a great deal when they’re meeting a new guy.

When we meetup, I’ll show you some good examples in dialog and give funny answers to hear in person, we’ll practice out some new meeting situations, and you can test them out in the field.

by Siege from his BlackBerry.

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She says “where are you gonna bring me.”

[private]She says “where are you gonna bring me.”

“I’ve got the greatest idea, we’re gonna love it.”

And ways to surprise her. Girls love playful surprises.

Girls love fun surprises and they love for guys to have all the details covered without asking them for ideas, then they can come along and just have a good time without her worrying if you’ll like her idea.

Team mentality or couple-hood dates are good. Ones where you are doing things together (not movies, no convo or playful flirting can happen all 2 hours of it.)

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

by Siege from his BlackBerry.

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Letter from student about my help to him:

[private]
I just read a student’s letter to a 3rd party about my help to him. Many times I am just doing what I do to get the quickest results for a guy… but to hear these things from another perspective tells me what is working best too.

“Two months ago, in January 2011, my life was turned upside down. My girlfriend of eight years and I separated. We had been together since I was fifteen, which is pretty much my entire adult life. When we separated, I was twenty-three years old and not only had I never been single, but I had also never learned how to meet, talk to, or casually date the opposite sex.

It is interesting that every child in America is taught English grammar, algebra and history, but receives no instruction in arguably the most important aspect of life: personal relationships. We are expected to learn from observation and experience, but unfortunately, the reality is that many people simply do not. Moreover, the advice that we are given by our parents or friends is usually just plain wrong. Consequently, it is no wonder that so many people are socially awkward and dissatisfied with their social abilities and situation.

Happily, I found someone who professionally teaches dating training. Over the past two months, in short blocks of time, C.J. has provided me with dating theory, tools, and most importantly, field experience. Every session he would give me some pointers on how to improve myself, ranging from fashion, to posture, and even, to positive thinking. He would also explain dating theory and illuminate— the way that women think and behave. Then, we would go out together. I would talk to dozens of different girls and C.J. would take notes. Later on we would go over each situation, and he would commend my good behavior, and point out the things that I could improve.

My life has changed dramatically. It is a revelation to discover how much fun it can be to go out and meet new people! No longer the chore that it once was, but instead, something I look forward to everyday. It is similarly liberating to cast off all that socialization that coerces us to act like boring automatons when we meet new people. C.J. has helped to allow the “true” me— the personality I wear when hanging out with my oldest and best friends— to playfully and quickly emerge when I meet new people. I highly suggest taking these first few positive steps if you are unhappy with your social situation. A coach is sure to be the best help.”

Sure my one-on-one short chunked session style at my rates may not make the most money, but it does reward and fulfill me on a deeper level to help guys make these dramatic changes in their life in such a short amount of time.[/private]

About the first coaching session

[private](to student)

“Basically the way I coach is starting with 45 minutes of identifying where you are with me teaching you some tools to test out right away. Then we go out in the field for a couple of hours with you opening sets as I monitor and wing if needed. Some guys like to see me model examples so i do that too.

I can quickly identify what will jump you up more & since I can gauge a girls receptivity and readiness pretty well, when it comes up I can signal you ‘under the radar’ what to do next. There are a few ways I do this that I’d explain when we meet.

If as I see you in set can tell you would learn from being there first hand while seeing it, I will get in a set with you there and do what we talked about so you can see first hand how it plays out in real life.”
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile[/private]