Just this past Saturday I went out for daygame coaching with Siege. I have worked with CJ in the past and knew he has a great deal of value to offer, so when I found out he was doing FREE coaching I jumped at the opportunity.
When I arrived at Copley (got there late due to traffic from the Sox game) CJ was demonstrating for some newbies how to approach on the street using a simple opener. (If you want to know the opener, you will just have to ask CJ in person or PM him). The first time I tried it, on a two-set of black chicks, the target seemed warm but her friend pulled her away so I erroneously concluded the opener was bad.
Here is where the coaching came in handy. CJ pointed out that I used the opener just fine but that I paused for too long after the target reacted. He emphasized that you have to be ready to follow-up! So I lost the set not because there was inherently anything wrong with me, but simply because I didn’t keep the conversation flowing. This was simple, usable feedback that I was able to implement right way.
So within 1-2 more approaches of making the adjustment, I immediately got into an engaging 5-10 minute conversation with this cute lawyer chick as we walked up Boylston St. We then parted ways and I returned to Copley.
Another memorable set was a two-set right outside of a restaurant on Newbury St. CJ was observing me from just a few feet away and critiqued the entire set from beginning to end. At one point he even came into the set, showing me how to make natural conversation. Like so many men, I’ve struggled in this area and heavily rely on canned material and routines. CJ emphasized that I should listen more to what the girls are saying and even use that for material to talk about. For example, the girls had an accent so Siege asked them where they were from and worked conversation on that topic for a bit before transitioning to another topic.
I recall a street approach where I watched as CJ got a number-close from this pretty blond. It always helps to observe guys that know what they are doing in-field and then try to emulate them. It gives you a chance to see body language and how women react.
These are just a few examples of the sets that were opened. What I am learning is that simple adjustments in your game can make all the difference.
Now here is something interesting. Later on that evening, after me and Siege parted ways, I was on fire when it came to opening. Maybe it was because I was warmed up from doing the day-game but I must have opened in the neighborhood of 20-30 sets. I’ve been in this stuff for 2 years and have never opened that many sets in a single day! My wing even called me on Sunday to congratulate me, saying I was an approach machine.
Other things I learned-
FOR GODSAKE- JUST OPEN!! If you don’t open, ain’t shit going to happen. (We all hear this, but not everyone takes it to heart)
IF HER FRIENDS COME INTO THE SET, QUICKLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THEM.
Bottom line: CJ’s coaching = results. I look forward to working and learning from this guy in the future. “”
During the Spring, I realized that I got a family reunion in Las Vegas after Christmas, so I thought that I would study hard core and get this down before the end of the year. While I am in Vegas, I made myself a mission.
MY MISSION:
I got 6 days to game and get laid in Vegas.
Here is what I’ve done so far:
I learned how to perform inner game, SNL, night game, and day game. I have learned different techniques, strategies, even read books on how to better your life. From all that I have learned, I will put them all to good work within the 6 days I have to get laid in Vegas.
What I’m going to do for the following entries is state some top lessons that I have learned from “The Seige”.
Since the spring time, I’ve been the protege of the Seige. He has been teaching me small things here and there, giving me advice anytime and everywhere I needed it. Then I decided to ask him for one on one coaching because I wanted to be the BEST PUA that I can be. When I told him about my mission, he was intrigued and decided to take me under his wing. The overall thing that he has been teaching me is how to attract women to you. How to have the women chase after you, than you chase after them. There is so much that I have learned from him alone, but I’ll try to cover as much as I can.[private]
The first thing he taught me was that there are 4 steps in seduction:
1) You cannot seduce what you cannot approach.
2) You have to create the attraction, like bait to a fish.
3) Comfortability creates a positive surrounding.
4) What more can I say to this step?
Now with those four steps, I realized that there are 4 questions to ask for a SNL (Same Night Lay) with a following statement:
1) Who are you here with?
2) How did you get here?
3) What are your plans for tomorrow?
4) What are you doing after this?
Statement: “We should go (anything)”
1) You want to know who she is here with because you’d like to know if she is has friends who might be a CB or if she has a bf or not. Anyways, you just want to know who she is with so you can plan the four steps successfully.
2) You want to know if she came with friends or by herself. If she came by herself, she is prone more to either go home with you, or you go home with her.
3) You want to know if she has plans for the morning or not. If she has plans, she is most likely not to have time to fuck that night.
4-and the statement) You want to know if she has plans with her friends or not. If not, recommend something enticing, something that would catch her interest, then seduce her.
Of course, these are questions that SHOULDN’T be asked all at once, but once every so often. I, personally, would ask them in that particular order, because I think that all those questions can tie in with the next one later on. Kind of like sprinkles of spice upon the broth.
Within these steps are mini steps into seduction. Such as ways of approaching and ways of making yourself stick out in a positive way. Here are some favorite things that I have learned:
APPROACH:
NIGHT GAME
One of my favorite lines is the, “Sorry I’m late” then go on from there. You’d be surprised at how many women play along with this. The one that I’ve been trying out is the straight forward method, “I know it’s a bit random…but…I know that if I don’t talk to you now…I might regret it later” This line gets a lot of positive results when I open with that line. However, the best line would probably have to be, “Hello, my name is Michael”. After you open, “lock in” as quick as you can. Make yourself comfortable, and continue conversation as much as you can. Position yourself at an angle towards her as you talk. However, have her earn your attention by body flirtation. Look at her, away, body towards her, then away. The push and pull method, basically. Before you approach, what you can do if you spot a girl looking your way, you can wave to no one, to make it look like you’re the popular guy. Either that, or raise your glass to her. If she raises back, then begin the approach. Use your best judgement.
DAY GAME
When approaching during the day game, it’s always a good idea to approach from her view. Either from an angle, or directly. However, if she is walking, you probably don’t want to stop her, because she is probably in a rush to get nowhere.
Seige taught me, which works very well was to walk in front of them and talk to them from behind your shoulder. If the topic of conversation good enough, then she would walk a bit faster to catch up with you one on one. Or you can speed it up a bit by slowly lowering your voice and she would have to catch up to talk to you. If it’s the retailer that you want, bullshit your question about a certain item, then quickly change the subject to something more personal. But I’ll save that game for another post.
ATTRACTION:
You build up the attraction the moment you begin your approach. One of the key elements that you need is to remember that you need to start to build the sexual tension along with the friendship. “Why friendship?” you may ask, but girls are more open to those they consider friends than strangers.
If the sexual tension is not at level with the friendship, you will creep them away. Most girls do not want to be labeled as a “slut”, and they will reject you on the spot if they spy that notion in you.
If the friendship is not at the same level as the sexual tension, you will be locked in the “friend zone” and will probably see your dream girl fucked by a total douche bag.
Having the friendship at the SAME level as the sexual tension is the best solution that makes everyone happy. Girls would not feel like a slut, and you got a hole you can fuck.
What you can do to start initiating the sexual tension is by expressing to them that they might be in danger of being in YOUR friend zone. Why is this? It’s because girls want to fuck the guys they cannot have. This is a “game” for them. It’s a tad ironic.
Kino is used to to create attraction by the slightest touch. However, YOU should be the one to control it. The reason is because prolonging the touch can either make her feel uncomfortable or you are just giving her way too much attention and she might get bored of you quick. To limit your time touching can create a “want” with the girl. She will begin to miss the touch and try to earn the touch again. It’s like a dog or a cat. They LOVED to be pet. They would do stuff to try to get the positive recognition. Even people love the physical touch and would do things to get the positive, physical reaction.
Listening is key to attraction. Listen to what she has to say. Repeat what she has said to signify that you get the idea that she was trying to portray. After you do so, keep the conversation flowing.
Befriending her friends can really create an attraction with the girl. Because the girls friends mean a lot to them. If they can accept you, it would be easier for her to accept you. Then the attraction will be stronger. And don’t feel afraid to interject and ask if you can borrow the girl for a moment to talk to one on one, but staying in the friends view so they can check up on her.
Another thing that can lead to attraction is NEVER giving straight answers. It’s like, you’re “batman” in a speed dating event. All the girls want to know WHO the Batman is…but he would probably not say who is that handsome man behind that mask…unless you’re Catwoman. Here is one of my examples:
Girl: So…what do you do for work?
Me: I’m a professional eye winker.
Girl: A what?
Me: (wink)
Girl: (laughs)
Girl: So, how old are you?
Me: Does age really matter?
Girl: I’m 23
Me: Good for you. Want a cookie?
Girl: Come on, please tell me!
Me: It doesn’t matter, because as an Asian guy, I can be 90 years old and still look this young and sexy.
Girl: So are you 90?
Me: No, I’m 100. (wink)
KEEP THEM GUESSING!!!
COMFORTABILITY:
Asking personal questions such as, “When you were a kid, what did you want to be when you grew up?” This is my personal favorite question to ask. You can talk a lot about this topic alone. And get to know them quicker.
Here are the top ten topics of conversations that women like:
1 ) Hobbies/ interests
2 ) Music
3 ) Dreams
4 ) Romance
5 ) Hopes
6 ) Friends
7 ) Goals
8 ) Travel
9 ) Movies
10) Entertainment
Here are the top ten LEAST favorite topics of discussion:
This was actually a survey that The Seige had found somewhere. I looked it up and confirmed it. I even tried all 20 out.
Another thing about comfortability is that you can actually create a strong sexual tension depending on how you use your words, topics, and how much kino you apply.
A quick way to start building the sexual tension is by talking about sex. Yes…that’s right…sex. They can get really hot by talking about your knowledge about sex. Don’t talk about you with other partners, but the subject of sex. Here is an example:
Me: You know what I think is unfair? How you girls have about 9 different types of orgasms while men only have two.
Girl: What? Are you really talking about this? What kind of a line is that?!
Me: Hey, who said that sex was such a taboo subject?
Girl: Uh…no one
Me: I’m not afraid to talk about it, it’s a natural thing! Are you afraid to talk about it?
Girl: No, I’m not.
Me: Alright then…where was the craziest place you’ve ever had sex in?
Girl: What?! I’m not going to tell you that!
Me: Because you’re afraid, that’s why.
Girl: I’m not afraid!
Me: Yeah you are! You wouldn’t even-
Girl: In a plane.
During this conversation, I could tell that she was getting off at the fact that I knew that there was 9 types of orgasms that women can have. She was so taken back by it, she pinned her back to the wall and leaned in closer to my face. Her arms began to drop towards her knees and her smile grew a few inches wider. She even whispered, “in a plane” directly into my ear. The sexual tension was there and it was getting hotter by the minute. After this conversation, I leaned in and kissed her.
Of course, you cannot have this conversation without having her feel comfortable around you first.
Another thing is that only talk about “happy things”. So IF she ever brings something bad up, such as a bad day at work, bad dates, or even gossip about people, reroute the conversation. This will make the comfortability with you stronger. From then on, she will only think of you as a person who makes “happy moments”.
Example:
Me: I think it’s unfair for chicks to get 9 different types of orgasms and men only 2.
Girl: Oh yeah? Well, I think that it’s unfair that we, girls, bleed once a month!
Me: Don’t you have chick friends to talk about this with? With me, we only talk about happy stuff.
Girl: Hey, you brought it up.
Me: Yeah, but I’m talking about sex. You’re talking about something else, period.
(we both laugh)
From then on, every time we saw each other, we always bring up good things and create an awesome connection because there is no negativity between us.
Laughter is a sign of comfortability. Once you get her laughing, continue the momentum. Then at its high point, make an excuse to exit. “I have to go check up on my friends for a minute, I’ll be back”. Don’t worry! When you come back, the comfortability will STILL be there. If she was comfortable with you around then, why wouldn’t she later? Besides, when you come back, you can start it off from the high point that you left at. She will start to miss you and her feelings would have a moment to sink in. When you come back. you will start off stronger and at the high point that you left off at.
Seduction:
Seduction is the last step into making it. Seduction is very much like planting a seed of love in the girls mind. What you want to do is create an idea, a grand idea of how it would be like to be intimate with you.
One way to initiate seduction is what is called a “Triangular Gaze”. The triangular gaze is a way that you look at the girl: Left eye, right eye, lips, repeat. Then ever so slightly, give your lips a little lick. This will plant a notion in their mind about kissing you.
Another way of going about seduction are minimal actions that can lead into something bigger. Such as prolonging your kino or talking about sex. Even the push and pull can become a sexual desire. Negs can create a sexual tension too.
A conversation from the other night at a bar:
Me: Oh my God, you are so sweet! You’re just like a cookie! I just want to dip you in milk and then eat you out!
Girl: (laughs out loud) What?
Her body language after I said that just opened up. Her body was pointed directly at me, tilted her head and with the most charming laugh ever. Comments like these can really set the mood. Another thing you can do is subtly remind her that SHE is DANGER of being in YOUR friend zone. Like guys, girls who are interested in you DON’T want to be in YOUR friend zone.
A conversation some time ago:
Me: I can’t believe how well we’re clicking! But just so you know, just because we’re getting close does not mean that we’re going to have sex.
Girl: Hahaha, I never had that notion in my head
Me: Maybe you did and just didn’t know it yet.
After a change of topics, we made out in the very end until her friends came by and drove her home because she had plans the following morning.
But it’s the idea that got her thinking about making out with me that helped trigger the ending result. Like I said before, girls want a guy who is a challenge to her. Guys that they CANNOT have are the ones that they WANT the most.
Some side notes:
Prolonging your glance in her eyes can really create a strong sexual bond between the two of you. Add this to the triangular gaze and it will worked like a charm.
Actions are just as powerful than the words that compliment the actions, and vise versa. If you use kino well, learn how to use your words to be just as strong in order to get to your end result faster. Or if you know how to talk the talk, then learn how to use kino to the extent of your words.
The coaches give you tools of trade. It’s not about how much knowledge you know…but on how well you perform them.
There is so much more that I have learned from the Seige, but I cannot place them all down on paper. I’ve learned so much from him that if I wrote it down, I might as well make a book out of it.
There will be times when you are talking to a girl and there are issues that generate a deep rapport for you to share together. That can be good in all, but remember you just met this girl.
When it comes to people you have just met, a great way to connect is [private] establishing and maintaining more of a wide rapport,on many subjects. This is when you have many different subjects that you agree on. This is when you have many perspectives that you see eye to eye on. These are the types of people we end up meeting and feeling like we have known forever.
With all people many factors that started in our childhood never changed throughout our adulthood. We still do still operate on the award/punishment scales. Is she laughing at your jokes? It is time to reward her in some way. Show her you like this. Is she being offhandedly affectionate? There is another time to offhandedly reward her and indicate that you enjoy her.
When you first meet a girl, be it online or in person, as with much of the dynamic, you are going to have to use your first 90 seconds to be amazing, the ‘wow factor.’ Then and still she knows more about what you have to offer to the interaction, and about you as a person, you will have to take out 85 – 90% of the conversation space. (Remember girls hate silences, at first they are all uncomfortable).
As you to get to know each other then the scales seem to even out. My favorite place which you can discover as she tells you more about herself, is when she is taking up most of the talking time and you were just listening. I personally like to listen very much. I learned a lot about people in those places.
As I am listening I am making little notes in my head of topics to revisit and which ones she seems most passionate about that would be fun to talk about in more detail at a later time.
She starts out with such a small percentage because she is warming up to you and learning about your personality. Women are born social creatures. Much of this comes from learning about a person one is speaking with an identifying the points of rapport. She’s also learning which topics and styles seem to get her the most conversational reward as she shares her stories with you.
Guys who do not put this extra effort into a conversation with a girl they just met, I often see them letting it fizzle out and then walking away feeling like they were not liked. This definitely may not be the case and probably isn’t if you were trying to go 50/50 on the conversational talk time. Guys go on to think that a girl did not like them. This could be absolutely the opposite of the case, yet her natural womanly behaviors keep things this way until they are not, when she feels comfortable opening up more to you. I hate to hear guys are thinking that their opener was not clever enough.
The opener is nothing my friend. It is merely a spark to the fire of conversation, to get it going. It is the fire. It is what happens after that initial introduction that decides the connection between two people. (As a side note, I was recently talking to a check friend who made the point that our guy who would not be that hot in a photograph, once he gets her laughing he becomes pretty ‘smokin’.
It is what it is, but I hate to hear guys looking for that bonus prize, that ‘get me laid’ opening statement they can make to a woman. As with you, it takes something more than that which will just catch the attention, you need something that’ll hold her attention and build things up like never before. I hate to talk about these things like this so extreme, but once you’re in the essence of a moment those times will happen.
When it comes that first conversation I would suggest touching upon many different subjects. It is easy and very beneficial to keep changing the subject. You’ll see the ones that spark her up a bit. These you can amplify for a moment while noting in your head what they were. You can bring these to a high point then once you change the subject you can remember which topics to touch back upon.
By covering many different subjects throughout a first conversation you are feeling out which of the many topics you two can have rapport on and which subjects you can keep coming back to. Consistently changing topics rather than talking one to its dying day will keep you evidenced as the interesting guy you really are.
You really are. Think about it think about how many topics you do have interest in. Think about how many things really excite you. If you can briefly touch upon many of these it will do two wonderful things in an early conversation. It will show that you are a passionate guy because you keep talking about the numerous subjects you do get passionate about. Girls are very attracted to a passionate guy. Girls are very attracted to interesting guys with numerous subjects they have interest in.
Once your passion is revealed you will either see her shared passion in such therefore establishing a beginning rapport on the subject or she will just see yours. Even if she does not share the passion which you do she will admire your passion for it. Then once you have covered many topics and out of these found many that you BOTH share a passion about, you rapport is growing wide… across numerous topics. Here is how we find the type of people we can talk about anything with. I bet you can remember hearing of a girl talking about a guy she liked a lot. I bet that is exactly one thing she said about him (we could talk about anything.)
Now this is great, you can just keep talking and talking while switching and changing subjects. You just keep on talking making enough pauses to give her chances to respond. She may not, and you are not dependent on this but while doing this the second you see that something you are talking about happens to spark something in her you can clam up. Clam up so she has a chance to participate in this topic. Then you can help her to elaborate her points. You can ask for elaboration on details she mentions. While listening, it is nice to hold eye contact with a slight grin and nodding through her every word. This will tell her that you are paying good attention to her, intently listening and eager to hear her next passages. Doing this you can remain always ready to jump in and take over the conversation with points you heard and mentally bookmarked whenever needed.
As conversation is moving along you can cause new topics and ask for open-ended questions. I would suggest you commit to never asking any sort of ‘yes/no’ type of questions. With a little practice you can learn to make sure all of your questions are the open-ended type. The types that will inspire her to have long-winded answers are great. This whole time you can listen to her answer while mentally taking notes on details to ask her about.
Often girls will have to elaborate their answers to your creative questions. Other times girls may say something like: “Um… I don’t know.” This may happen because she really does not know an answer. Other times this may happen because she feels on the spot, she hasn’t gotten comfortable enough with you yet to open up and discuss things with you elaborately. Either way, you can clarify the question some.
This not only will give for a more detailed description of what you’re asking but also gives her a few moments to think about the answer to the first question you asked.
Sometimes girls need this. Whereas they might have felt to be put on the spot at first, while listening to you rephrase it they can be gathering an answer.
For example, to get to the core of our passions is often useful to look at our childhood. I may ask her something like: “Do you remember when you were a kid, what it was that you wanted to be when you grew up?”
Many times I find girls frequently do remember what this was. Maybe they love animals and wanted to be a veterinarian. Maybe they thought it would be cool if they were a nurse. If they tell me that they don’t remember I can give them an example of the type of answer I was looking for by giving them my own.
“Aw shucks (I say jokingly) that’s too bad. I find it can be pretty useful to figure out what we were thinking as kids to understand the core of our passions today. When I was in preschool, even before I could read, I still like to play as if I was reading books. The teacher’s aide told me I look like a lawyer so I was convinced her for some time that’s what I would be. I would go home and play mock trial with my parents either being a lawyer or being a judge. As I got older I never much wanted to be a lawyer but I do get a kick out of reading a lot and you find a strange fascination in the logic and reasoning that can be used in the courtroom.”
Nowas I gave my reply I gave very much into it. I was very sincere and told her about things I would play when I was a child. Sometimes by showing example, putting that ‘Umph’ into the reply will be modeling to her what you expected. Then she might be more likely to give you a more passionate answer and think some more about her own childhood.
As you are doing those things in qualifying her, once she passes the little tests you have presented it is time to seize the moment. “Oh my God, you are so cool. How can we make sure we hang out again? This is a lot of fun.”
You can even seize the moment and reward her right away. “That is so awesome!” And then pulled her close to you to kiss her on the cheek. There is never a reason to waste time. Once you detect that moment at hand it is time to seize it. Many guys a lawful themselves out of the park because of too many worry statements were second-guesses. Girls live on a moment to moment basis. When the moment is high and you guys are sharing one they love it to be seized. It feels natural. It feels like a natural connection in the moment of that connection was seized by you both.
Practice talking about racy subjects. Sexual topic should be an easy, free-flowing type of conversation that falls easily from your lips. This is showing that sex is an easy-going topic for you. This will also show that you are somewhat of a seductive person and have plenty of experience with women. They like that. It shows a skilled lover and a man who has been qualified by many girls previously. This will indicate to her that since you have been pre-qualified by many girls before her, she is less work to do. This actually is way more of a weighted qualification because girls never truly know how to properly qualify a guy. They keep trying in many different ways to cover obvious bases but there have been plenty of times before when they have done that and it not work out as they had expected.
“I am not the kind of guy that would just take a girl that caught his attention home the first night and give her a night of pleasure and continuous orgasms. I am not that easy. I see you have real potential to hold my attention but you can at least buy me a few drinks first.”
Another great way to turn up the thermostat for the heat of your interaction is simply to talk about kissing. Let’s say you been talking for five or 10 minutes and felt some genuine rapport developing between the two of you at some point when you are close in proximity during the conversation you can just ask her: “If I were to kiss you, on a scale of 1-10, how do you think I’d rate your kiss?”
At this point not only will she be trying to take pride at a presumed high score, she’s going to imagine kissing you. It will cross her mind at this point in the image is likely to pop in every so often since she started. At this time, I myself, since I was thinking about it as well, might start alternating my gaze from her eyes to her lips every so often. It might be nice to imagine what those lips taste like at this point. Because I do love the woman’s eyes sometimes I find it hypnotic to triangulate my gaze upon her. That is if you alternate from eye to other eye to her lips, this can feel very sensual just making the gaze that way. She will probably notice this too and feel sensuality from your gaze. I remember sometimes while doing this, girls have done either offhanded or explicit moves to get this happening.
Offhandedly they may just move close or get their face closer to yours. Explicitly, yet much less common and seen a girl come right in to kiss me on the lips. A few times when they had done this it seemed like they were distracted for a second as they came in for the kiss and then went on with talking as if they just had to satisfy a sudden craving distraction.
Sometimes hints may work better than anything else. Let her mind play with what you stated but then move on. There is no need to make your coy statements and then stop speaking because you’re waiting for her reaction. “I have a bottle of whipped cream in the fridge. You should come home with me and help me finish it off. The bouncer here reminds me of Jim Gaffigan.”
If you do make a statement and sort of positive her reaction, watch her carefully. If you see in her face and/or body that she isn’t heated up enough for this yet, you can take it away. “We should go back to my place and massage oil onto each other skin. I just picked up this kind that smells and tastes like mangoes.” (but if you do see her face showing anything but eager anticipation…) “No, wait a second. You are pretty tall I don’t think I have enough for your body.”
You see, before you took it away you illustrated a nice semi-sexual picture of imagery and her brain. Women love the imagination since theirs does paint magical pictures. Even if she had a bit of hesitancy to your suggestion, don’t worry, the picture will stay for a while and it will flash back every so often.
As you know, any ‘No’ she says is simply ‘No’. That’s easy. She wont even say it unless it is real But when it comes to subtle hesitations things are different, so I hate to see guys interpreting the worst out of these. If she did find a place to express her minor hesitation, like anything else, it is all a joke until it’s taken seriously. Laugh it off. Laugh heartily and then change the subject. Women are very funny like this when you don’t need to take their comments in a moment to be much at all. Many times she has many rejections. It is to satisfy her need not to look like the stereotypical ‘slut’. Most girls seem to have a need to establish themselves away from the stereotype. I think by laughing it off and not taking it seriously or personally rather, shows the insignificance you find in the stereotype anyways.
This also shows that you take any rejection towards you as kind of a joke. Since girls usually fall into your arms and you understand she is saying what needs to be said to establish herself as a non-slut, all you can do is laugh it off. You heard it, you accept it, you allow her to establish what she needs to (as not having behaviors that would classify her as a ‘slut) but still not taking it too seriously or personally.
Most of the time, I find that girls need to get their protest to be ‘on the record’. Once this is said they feel a little freer to give in to their desires and go with their attraction. I see most often that girls do not want you to stop your pursuit based on this ‘technical rejection’. Now things can go along as you both want. This is why are found laughing it off to be the easiest acceptance of it. You accept the fact she wants her minor protest to be heard but nothing more since it wasn’t an outright ‘No’..
You don’t need to have a smooth transition into some of these things. It may take some practice but often being very comfortable in a major change in tempo of the conversation you’re having can be quite charming to a girl. This can show you have major balls, which is nice.If you have the comfort to adjust the tempo of a conversation from casual then easily slipping in a sexual innuendo shows you are very confident and comfortable with your sexuality. This is very attractive.
21st century has been seen to stifle many people’s free expression of the sexuality inside of them. You don’t have to be a part of that. Being very bold when you first approached her and then bolt throw your interaction shows you are not ‘just another average guy’. Keeping the tension up, and keeping her slightly intimidated is a sweet spot for you both. When you can introduce these dramatic tempo changes to the conversation it goes to reveal that you are person who you never know what to expect from him.
After laying out somewhat of a foundation of that, let me cover a part of the ‘rejection’ topic. There really is no such thing until the woman says “No” or something of that specific nature. This is another reason why I personally prefer open-ended questions and sometimes indicating my desired intents with a statement rather than a question. When you start getting into racy topics (and other topics actually) you will see that any lack of explicit rejection is actually acceptance.
In the case of yes/no questions think of it this way, if you were to say something like: “Do you want to…” and she feels she needs to say “no” to maintain her image as proper and that is what she’ll do. This being said, if you were to say something like: “Let’s go do this…” and she has no reply than she is for the suggestion. If she is specifically and directly not for the suggestion she will go ahead and say something along the lines of indicating that she doesn’t want to or she can’t or it’s not possible for some reason.
Remember that in many cases any lack of negation to your suggestion is a girl’s way of accepting it. To make a suggestion without it being a yes/no question, you can say something like “We should go to my house to smoke hookah and get my cat to chase the laser pointer.” Or something like “We should go back to my place and watch my cat do back flips while you give me a massage.” If she says nothing then your suggestion has generally been accepted. You don’t have to consider her ‘not into it’ unless she says something like “No, that’s not a good idea” or another thing along those lines. The only other time I can think of she may indicate she is not into it if she is not his while you’re on the way were about to leave to then she may indicate it then. Otherwise she is all for it. As a standard, girls don’t normally say something like “Yeah let’s go do that.” They will go along with what they think may be fun until they don’t.
While you are having a great time enjoying each other’s company, you should just presume, as you would with any other friend that she is coming home with you. Don’t go in at all of these unspoken and unfounded expectations of negation where they’re not necessary. Do not make an issue of a non-issue.
Making these random comments with sexual undertones is a part of what I explained as foreplay and my detailed passages about sexy-time. Foreplay should not begin when you decide to get sexually intimate, as an ‘all of a sudden’ event. You should consistently be flirting and sprinkling in seductive comments throughout your conversation with a girl you have a sexual interest in. A girl’s imagination is a beautiful thing.
When our thoughts are brought to sexy places it can start her arousal and maintain it at mild levels way before any touching happens. Doing this consistently and steadily along with a slow teasing physical foreplay can bring the woman to unknown heights in their orgasm.
Girls do want a bold confident man. While many guys try to sneak their way in to an interaction with a girl with crafty, clever lines… if you just go in with your boldness this will make quite an impression in itself.
You can begin your flirting and sensuality and spoken foreplay from the very minute you say hi to a new girl. It is subtle yet this is revealing all your cards on the table in a way. Girls have been hit on since they hit puberty. There is no way for any guy to approach her with intensity in his mind and are not able to see through it. It is much easier if you just cut all of the bullshit. When I approach a girl it is no secret that she caught my attention. I am now talking with her to see what she is like, to see if she can hold my attention, to see if I want more of my time to be spent with this girl. When a guy comes up to a girl unafraid of any ‘risk of rejection’ or what have you, then all of a sudden she sees a shinier apple presented to her.
I have found it to be perfectly fine and very well accepted to have my intentions obvious. It seems like some guys are trying to sneak their way into a girl’s attention and coerce her to the bedroom without her realizing what’s going on. This does not happen, this is not seduction. Recently while at a mall with a friend of mine we decided to go into Spencer gifts. As you’re walking and my friend was telling me that the store now had quite an extensive sex toy selection.
While walking in I saw it was a cute girl was working the register that day so my first sentence to her was: “My friend tells me that this is a sex toy shop nowadays. Is that true?” With this little piece of information I was able to start our conversation on a somewhat sexual level. When she tells me the story is as I suspected I ask her to show me her collection. As we get over to the section of the store I tell her that I was curious about vibrators. I then asked her to tell me which is the best or which is the most popular. She goes on to show me the first model that she thought of. I will not ask her questions of the reasons it was supposedly better than the rest. While she was explaining its features I simply gazed upon her. I looked into her eyes, enjoyed gazing upon her face and neck and listening to the sexual topic she was describing and the sensual way she was describing it.
As she was explaining the features of this first vibrator I went on to ask her:”Does the nice sounding features of this vibrator cause a woman to lose the novelty, enjoyment of the real thing, of a real penis?” With utter sincerity, she went on to tell me with a very sophisticated sounding know-how that this absolutely was not true. “From my perspective, and understanding both, although this is very nice there is nothing like a real penis. There is nothing like skin on skin.” She was getting very sexy and describing this and seemed to want to prolong the conversation so she went and picked up a second model and describe its features. I merely listened and enjoyed the sensuality I was watching come into her as she described the sexual nature of these devices.
A girl enjoys a bold and confident man who has no qualms about touching upon the subjects because then again, by doing this you show her that the subjects are absolutely acceptable in conversations between the two of you. She will know now that she can freely express how she feels about such topics. Forget any ‘risk’ of possible rejection you are thinking. I think you should embrace and dance with these risky topics to get yourself comfortable with them and indicate to her that you are comfortable with her talking of them. Women love sex more than we men do. Once she feels she has established herself past the anti-slut protocol, and these topics have a perfect comfort ability as when shared with you, she will feel like she can enjoy you and her own sexual experience without being (looked down upon.)
I hear and see many guys who think that the minor rejections are something they earned. In essence that is really not the case. You see, women have these built-in automatic rejections to hand out to the general male crowd. Girls want to ensure they have high standards for which man they get with. If they can toss out a simple easy rejection to their approach and he drops the issue, then that was easy. She now filtered through and eliminated a weak sort of man. Girls have the negation to incoming males built-in is an automatic. They have been pursued and approached by men since puberty. Guys have whistled at them from driving by, guys have ‘Cat-Called’ them from the construction site and guys have ogled them on the beach since they grew boobies.
Get over the pride. Hearing these minor statements of rejection is really nothing. If you are subtly and not so subtly indicating your intent, you will see a few things. She will begin thinking about and imagining what sexy-time with you is like. She will see you are bold and candid and comfortable enough to be taking things all the way. And finally, somewhat based on her reaction, you’ll be able to see how much attraction has been built so you can gauge and decide your current actions with this girl and/or future actions with future prospects.
I told you that women are very much on the moment to moment basis and testing you. Personally I think of up several times I’ve stated a firm opinion on one side of the subject. The girl I was speaking with that expressed the opposite side of the same subject. I quickly acknowledged (not discrediting her point) but then went on to further illustrate the reasons why I feel the way I do. I’ve seen more than one case where a girls next comments will be those on the side of the issue that I originally expressed. seems they just throw these things out there to see the resiliance of a potential male in their world.
Life is funny, enjoy it. It is all a joke until it’s taken seriously and only take the part seriously which you wish to be a part of your world. What points a girl makes that you do take seriously is another reward in conversation that will inspire them to grow. Reward the ones that you like to have as a part of your world.
Since the best punishment from childhood on is merely ignoring, ignore all of those that you disagree with. You are merely paying attention to the ones you like therefore showing there a reason to elaborate those points. If she is getting no attention or acknowledgment about the points you don’t like she is very much less likely to elaborate on those. On the ping-pong table she got no pong to her ping.
…Anyways, it all started on my way back into Boston Common from DWTN Crossing, it was sunny, a nice day just to randomly greet people. I said ‘Hi’ to random interesting people I passed, started little 3 min convos, smiled and wave-acknowledged a bunch. I could feed the birds if….
At the moment she came into scene, I was on one side the crosswalk headed back to the commons courtyard. As I stand there, I scan everybody as I always do and I see her. She is an absolute ‘true10′ but without the ‘I hate the world’ look on her face. Out of the 15-20 people on that side of the street, she stuck out to me like a flamingo in a pack of seagulls, but she wasn’t covered in make-up. She wasn’t decked in ‘look-at-me’ clothes, just a [private]pair of jeans and a button down shirt.
That’s what caught my eye the most. She had an ‘agenda-free’ look, no expressions, no mask held up. She was a good 20 years old but had the un-city like innocence on her face. She had model beauty, but naturally.
I have my sunglasses on so I continue to look like I’m scanning as I watch her (my head slowly gazing back and forth, while my eyes were on her). If I wasn’t wearing my sunglasses, I would have checked her out in my peripheral sight while not showing that I noticed her till she was close enough to open.
You know how girls flirt subconsciously with their body language? They fix their hair, their shoes, or position their pose in an attractive way. Speaking in girl speak, I know some off handed body language motions that get them looking.
Girls do get shielded when they know guys are looking at them. When the walk light goes on I casually walk across the crosswalk but I am moving towards where I would be passing next to her.
As we pass each other, to play out as if seeming like I just noticed her, I simply smile and say ‘Hello’ and tilt my head back, greeting-ly. (tonality is key here, and have found the ‘Hello’ gets a lot more responses than the ‘Hi’ because you can draw out the elongated vowels, saying it in a slow sexy tone.)
She says “Hi’ back to me on her way past. I did a swoop around (which I hardly ever do, but she did catch my attention very well). I walk her direction and stop her just on the sidewalk where I started. We are in front of Finagle a Bagel, next to the crosswalk.
“Well, You ARE ugly…” (I said this while smirking, she definitely knows I’m joking) “…but something is drawing me to want to see what you’re like, find out more about you…HI, I’m C.j.” and I stick out my hand.
Now when I stick out my hand to shake a girl’s hand, this isn’t a business meeting. I am not trying to show her I have a firm handshake, I don’t need any alpha over tilt.
I offer her my hand, solid connection then my palm up holding hers in it. I can give her the most welcoming hand shake so she can feel most comfortable right now. She needs to have a first impression before she’ll feel safe following my lead. Or being in the tension I will be creating.
I don’t not pull my hand back after the standard amount of greeting time; it’s easy to leave it there for as long as she wants to leave hers in it. She doesn’t feel like I’m gripping, just matching her pressure. Often we pull our hand back like we do in a regular nice-to-meet you handshake. This hold open is saying to her in Body language: ‘you have caught my attention, I am still curious’ I leave my eyes mostly in hers while her hand is in mine.
We chat, most of my eye contact on her eyes with quick scans every so often, to think of things and not to seem like a staring psycho. Her hand is still in mine. I am not gripping it, I am just open handed lightly solid.
She tells me she is from Russia; I practice my single Russian phrase with her. “Kahk DeeLah” (written phonetically). We chat a little and I notice her friend is standing a few feet behind her. I can tell from this, that she would get pulled by her friend or pull herself from this to not keep her friend waiting.
I tell her of an outdoor salsa class I am headed to later; I give her the time constraint of: “Well, I was going this way…” (She just starts to slowly pull her hand out of mine), “….and I have to feed the birds…” (she didn’t notice how ‘non-pressing’ that is, time-wise.) “…but let me see your cell phone, we can talk later.”
She pulls her phone out as if she was going to punch the number in herself, but I pretended not to notice, and was holding out my hand expectantly. She finally hands me the phone.
The picture on the phone’s screen was probably why she didn’t want to hand me the phone in the first place, but I’ll get into that in a bit.
I punched in my number, called my phone, and then described to my voice mail everything I just learned about this girl in the few minutes we talked. I hang up & tell her that I will call her a little later and walk on my way.
About 30 min later, I text her saying that “I should be finished at 5:00 and will call you then.” Yes, I did text her30 min after meeting her: I planned on keeping this temperature going.
I got her flirty temperature up while we talked. I knew if I was going to manage this I’d need to keep it up. I text in 30 minutes, call an hour later about a same day event.
I know that when you text things like that, they wait and are thinking about you the whole time until you call. She also is ready to talk to you when you call, she will be a little bit more…um how could I say this?… ‘State-prepared.’
I end up getting caught up in other things when I realize it is 5:45, so I call.
I get her voicemail message. Then a recording tells me her voice mailbox is full. Ok, I carry on.
I saved my name into her phone, so if she has caller ID she’ll know that I called. If she calls back – great…. if she flakes – oh well. She caught my attention for a few minutes.
Then at 5 minutes to six I get a text from her:
She says: “Its almost 6!! ”
So I see she got my text. I am guessing she saw my call on ID, but who knows. Now she is telling me by subtext, “ok C.J., call me now, I will answer.”
I call her. I tell her about the salsa in the park and ask where she is at his very moment. She tells me she’s in the Common
“Great, I’m over by the ‘Park St’ staircase, meet me here and we’ll go over to salsa together.”
This is all part of the ‘Assume the Close’ I just told her about the event, expected she would be dying to go, and told her what to do next to come along. (To be continued)
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I was explaining this to a buddy of mine on a different situation. If she doesn’t want to go, she’ll stop things & indicate it clearly or say it clearly. There is no need to ask her anything. Just lead. If she follows – great, if not – lead to something else.
Hear what she says in words when it comes to her denials. I don’t try to read signals, and tones, and subtext unless they are compliances, unless they are the message I want to hear. Interpretations of subtext are so broad/vague. Guys are not built to read between the lines.
The only: ‘Supposed to’ to define in this interaction are the words. Meanings beyond what is said, while girls get that naturally, if you have learned this, Great. Since the interpretation is open, read the ones you want to hear. (& her seeing which ones you read is a reward to her. She will keep giving back the ones picked up on, the positive ones.)
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(resume)
So, I Tell her of the good time at the salsa. Then I tell her what her next step is, & that it’s easy on her part. We can go from there….
I sit on the planter next to the stair case and am going through my date book paperwork. I think she is coming with her friend. We can all go the Salsa, I can work them like a two set, and some other dance partner will keep her friend occupied.
When she comes over, She gets my attention & is by herself now. (This is a signal her interest; did she ditch her friend to hang out with me alone?)
I stand up, give her a hug, lean back while holding her arms and check her out (I look from eyes all the way to shoes, then back to eyes. My smile brightens in the scan to be brightest back into her eyes as I start a new thread)
I tell her a bunch of details about the salsa as I put my hand on her lower back to guide her to the direction of the staircase.
And I keep talking, no questions to her are needed here, I just ramble along about my day. Girls are usually nervous at the start of dates and such. They want you to be talking & keeping the spotlight off them till they warm up a bit…..this always works for me.
Don‘t worry about it, after they get talking, they love to ramble on. Then you can ask her open ended questions to keep her rambling. At this point, she’ll interrupt if she has something to tell me.
We walk downstairs to Park St. cut across underground tunnel to Downtown to grab the orange line. I body language vibe her the whole way.
I take her hand into mine (as if I am testing it, in my head) then I toss it down like it was covered in cooties. I do that as I’m talking about something else. I pay no mind to it, but it does get filed in her mind, you’ll see the expression on their faces as you get better at vibing.
As we walk, sometimes I will take her by the shoulders and move her to my right side as we walk. That is the side I prefer her on, and this keeps touching, leadership, and her compliance momentum.
I lead her to the right direction at points with my hand on her lower back. Trust me, when you do this they get the feeling of being protected. Its great touching and comfort all wrapped in one move.
As I passed other cute girls walking by, I smiled at them and said ‘hi’ to some. This reminds this Russian girl I am social to chicks. She sees girls along the way smiling at me and saying hi. These unknown girls will return ‘hi’s and smiles much better because I am walking with a girl and totally non threatening.
They don’t think they have to be defensive to my greetings. I couldn’t be hitting on them since I am with a beautiful girl. And if I was, that’s good too because I must be a prize (pre-selected) walking with her….
I know a bunch of people are thinking that these moves make a girl jealous and will screw up chances with her. Not only does it do the opposite, but has this girl earned any of my affections yet?
While waiting for the orange line, I was leaning one arm on the post and she leaned on the same post facing me, leaning her shoulder. She let her face be near mine while we were talking. She just pulled her hair out of her face, turning her head towards me but close, letting her hair fall on her face again.
I just pushed her hair back off her face, letting my fingertips slightly brush her cheek. She doesn’t break her gaze from mine or move back from my touch at all, so now I know. I let my hand find its way from her cheek and hair to the back of her neck and pulled her to me to kiss.
So I started kissing her there. One five minute open, a text, a re-meetup with a hug… a bit of touching, affection push/pull then ten minutes later a kiss. Things happen that fast when you’re plowing on in the vibe, reading and sending the signals. 93% of communication received comes with Tone, Vibe, and Body Language. It seems like a born-with skill, but this like any clever opener, can be learned and mastered.
It was all about reading her cues and vibing that got her here. If I didn’t kiss her at that moment, she could/would have blocked it later. She was in a moment I could seize.
Now we were getting on the packed train, I know she is coming along to my event. There is no need to keep her entertained, so I sit in one empty seat, she stands by the doors. We just kissed, so I’ll give her a chance to let that sink in. It is very key to give girls little breaks, little takeaways that give her the space to come to you. The break from your attentions let her have something to miss.
We get off the train & walked trying to find the salsa park.
We held hands some, like girl & guy buddies, and then I stopped and got interested in something we were passing. I came back to her to decide to kiss her after looking at her a moment. (I takeaway, then back in with a little escalate in level but then I take away again. This is great at building great tension.)
We traded stories about our life. She told me she was a model. I picked up her hands and asked her
“What, a hand model?” So then I talked about Jergen’s and nail polish ads, while she tried to correct me
“No real model!!” she said
I defended them. “That nail polish models work hard you know. They are just as hardworking as the…”
This just got her laughing and still wanting to correct me.
So we went to the park-salsa, danced a little bit, made out along the way. I would stop her along the walk for a kiss, then she would come at me when I stopped the make out early, pushing her away a little. Sometimes when it would escalate in intensity, I would push her back from then too. We’re out in the world; all I want to do out here is build up tension.
“Not here….” I said. We were on the sidewalk or leaning on a store side. “We have a dance class to get to.”
We went to the salsa for a bit, danced some. She wasn’t really into it. She sat on the bench for a while watching while I danced with the other girls. I kept an eye on her to watch if she was getting bored.
Then we bounced to Copley to walk around. We both were push/pulling the whole walk. I would wander too far ahead then she would call me back. Then she would catch up and keep walking right past me until I caught up with her.
I called her on my cell phone. She answered. I told her to stop. She did. I told her to turn around as I was walking towards her. She did that too.
But when I got to her I looked her in the eyes, held eye contact as I kept walking. I gave her a “hmmpht!’ sound for acknowledgment, joking disregard. This was all very playful, like little kids teasing to be the lead.
She followed me, asked where I was headed next. I turned around, took her hands and started talking about Copley spots like they were fun-park rides… or at least in that excitement I explained with.
We wandered around, between random make-outs, and sat on some park benches talking. At one point she pulled out her compact mirror and was checking her hair or whatever….but for way too long and rude while we’re talking.
I am not down with the vanity thing, she can hit the restroom. I also needed to pull her out of her own head. She was dreaming if she thought she could hold may attention with her looks alone.
I just stood up and walked over to another park bench as I went through my Blackberry checking my email.
She continued to be checking herself in the mirror, yet glancing at me every so often. My takeaway didn’t fully work.
Even after a few minutes went by, she looked absorbed, but girls are always on scan-mode, monitoring things in their peripheral even when they don’t look like it.
I got up from my bench and walked the other direction and behind a structure that you couldn’t see through.
My walking path led me to be right behind her bench. I went there but she wouldn’t see where I was because the structure blocked her view.
I also wanted to finish my email but still keep an eye on her; once she was done in her mirror we could have fun again.
Then I get a text: “Why are you always leaving me?” It was from her.
I just walked up from behind her bench, sat next to her and said: “Relax kid, I’m right here, I was just taking care of my email tasks so I wouldn’t have to worry about them later.”
I told her of where I was going next, which was in Brighton, closer to where I live.
“There in a pizza joint & a few cool clubs.” You always have to frame these ideas as things that are already going on, and she can come along. That keeps the pressure off us both.
Now I don’t get too firm in plans. If I want to hang out with her, if she definitely doesn’t want to go along on the event I chose, I just modify my lead, pick a new place for now.
She said no at first, I told her that we could go there later, and started walking to my train. She followed but it was the train that was going where we said anyway.
This next part is weird, I hardly understand it, but it is how it happened: We went to the Arlington st. Greenline station, and would be taking a ‘B’ line to get where I intended. We talked and chatted and joked and laughed as all the other letter trains came by.
I greeted a few girls there and while walking through the station, nothing direct just easy going ‘hello’s. I was bouncing my attention back and forth from my girl and away to someone/something else. Then a ‘B’ train came.
I stood up, and held my hand behind me for her to take it. She didn’t take it, first time all day of me offering it. She said something about not wanting to to go, but she was up standing and a few steps to the train. “Alright, It was fun meeting you…” as if I was leaving.
She stood there with with a look of the blues in her eye, so I pulled her back to the bench as I sat next to her, looking at her uncertainty and I started laughing. The ‘B’ train took off.
“I am going to the Hookah-bar, and then maybe grab a bite to eat in Brighton. It would be great if you came along, but I have better things to do than hang out in a train station. Why don’t you go home for now, it’s been a long day. You’d have a
great time at these places I am going too; I just have to take the next ‘B’ train that comes through. ”
She had no response so I just went on telling stories and chatting about other things. I explained what the next few steps of mine would be. She stayed engaged in the conversation, and I left some open loops to keep her in curiosity, keep her wanting more.
So I did. I got on the next ‘B’ and she came along. We went to Allston, touched base with a lot of my friends in these places. Then around 10 or so, we talked of going to the playground for a little while.
So far at
this point I have about 4 hours of flirting that led this whole thing to be where it is:
We were
at the bus stop, to go to the playground I intended. She was sitting on the bench, her elbows on her knees, her head on her hands facing down. I was standing up waiting for the bus and she looks up at me and says:
“I am Tired….. I want to go home, or I want you.”
I stopped, I thought about what she just said.
Of course I
was taken aback to what I just heard, but I showed nothing. I looked at her again and said as I would say to anything she would have said that I didn’t hear. “I’m sorry, what was that you said?”
“I am tired. I want to go Home, or I want you.” she repeated verbatim.
I thought for a minute. We had been kissing, I was building up her tension all day by stopping early and the ‘almost kisses’ that drive ‘em crazy. Where I have my face close, my lips close, but I smell her skin, the air rushing over as I inhale.
“Ok… let me check one thing.” I said. I sat down next to her and kissed her like I meant it, a real passionate kiss. I stood up and said “Okay.” and stuck my hand out for a cab.
I can also see that my enthusiasm for the places I have been does more than [private]…even out the playing field.
“Oh my god! Costa Rica was like a picture perfect paradise you see in picture books. There were monkeys pulling candy wrappers out of the trash and a two foot tall brightly colored parrot in the tree nearby the picnic table we were sitting at..
The people were So friendly. As soon as they hear you trying a few Spanish phrases they make every effort with any English they know. I remember on more than one occasion, when I was asking directions, the people would walk with me most of the way to be able to point out the last stretch of the directions..
There were volcanoes spitting lava over the bay, waterfalls in every neighborhood we visited, and palm trees to coconuts wherever the could see.
The sunset over the bay stuck so hard in my mind, I had to paint what I remembered of it a few years later. It was an ever changing rainbow of opaly colors, shimmering on the water for the whole time we were eating dinner across the street from the beach…”
No matter what they are, facts can be boring. Enthusiasm and colorful pictures painted with your words can be very alluring and the enthusiasm is contagious. When I tell those stories I hear “I wish I was there” all the time.
As with all things resembling rejection, upon opening a girl and early in the interaction, she hasn’t rejected the guy who opened her. He can’t take it personally yet because she has no idea what he is like, how fun he is, how exciting he is, and all those things. She has a certain amount of blocking maneuvers built in. These will weed out the first level of guys; this will qualify the weaker ones out of her scope before she needs to do any serious qualification. It is sort of a time saving technique.
Almost all girls have an auto-responder built in. They are raised to be polite, so of course she will say “It was nice meeting you” as a way to give a hint to end the conversation. She hasn’t said (and most girls wouldn’t say): “I am done talking to you”… so I can take this hint as I haven’t sparked any interest/attraction yet which is fine. It is easy to change topics like the signal wasn’t noticed. By frequently changing topics and coming back to touch base on ones talked about is how old friends converse. By keeping this same eye for her signals open, I will see which topics engage her, interest her, excite her & spark attraction in her.
This, in a way, will speed up the amount of rapport felt between you both. When you keep changing topics & find a bunch of them that you agree on, you have rapport on a variety of topics, like old friends. Women don’t need to have their conversations run on a linear structure; they very much operate on a moment to moment basis.
Also by staying in the conversation & changing topics shows a masculine strength. Woman will stay polite as long as possible; it’s part of their social nature. This gives a man the opportunity to find her hot buttons. If one reads her silly ‘nice meeting…’ as a signal and cowers away, they’ve answered a qualification factor very quickly for her. She sees this as a man with not much to offer in depth & variety to his personality, one who had no other interests left quickly, saving her time.
If she walks away, that is an obvious explicit signal. Yes I keep my eyes and ears open to read the signals women send in subtext and indirectly, but I only respond to the ones that I like. I have heard girls blatantly disagree with an opinion point I have made. I am fine with disagreement, but I will just accept her point and further the reasons I have come to my conclusion. After hearing what I had to say I have heard girls make a second statement, agreeing with my point, as if she had never disagreed a moment ago. By continuously responding to the ones I like and not the other, I always see the frequency of positive ones picking up. The girl is getting a reward for the positive ones, with them being replied to, while the other ones are just ignored.
Being such social creatures, they seem to have a craving for approval (or explicit lack of) to be going one way or the other in any interaction they are in.
Ok, from last Wednesday…I decided to log out this clip. I went into the Logan cafe…as I love it there…I figured a quick sandwich and a soda….Some beautiful bunny was leaning on the brochure counter looking as if she is waiting for someone…She was pretty model stat…Good-‘propa-lady’ like dressed on top of a Bally’s body…She held herself well, and when our eye contact was made…She humbly dropped [private] her gaze to the ground…for a couple a seconds…When she looks back up to see if I am still looking…which I was…I scoped her setup head to toes…On her look up she dropped her gaze again then a good 30 seconds before she looked to the side and the brochures…I figured I would say hi….
C.J.: “Hi, I do have a question for you.”
Beautiful Bunny at the Logan cafe: “Sure, what’s that?”
(I pause… pause. I paused for fun…)
C.J.: “Are you single?” (In my emotionless stone cold straight face)
Beautiful Bunnie: “Well, um…”
C.J.: “I’ll take that as a yes…” (I nodded in the grin that I felt creeping on…)
Beautiful Bunnie: (Laughter)
C.J.: “Well, I just happen to know someone that I
think might like you… if you’re more than
just a pretty face, that is… He’s fun and has
great taste, and I think you’d like him… I’d
love to sit down and get your life story, but I’m
on my way somewhere… do you have email?” I asked…
Beautiful Bunnie: “Yes.”
C.J.: Great… (I take out my favorite astronaut pen)… write it down for
me, and I’ll send you an email when I’m in ‘online time’.
I then folded her slip of paper slid it into the breast pocket of my jacket and wished her a good day…[/private]
You can treat it as a joke or that you know she must be joking to be worrying about such trivial matters. To achieve the joke, the idea is to build suspense, then mix the serious with the ridiculous.
For example, on a first date she asks: “How long has been since you been on a date?”[private]
Hearing this, I pause & look very serious. “Well, does my mom count? …because she escorted me to the Halloween ball in the third grade.” [/private]
once you have the parts after the conversation is going to be getting you the best results. Then relying on body language for invites to open [private]and more is great.
From what you tell me and what I have seen in you, you have some things to work on before all of that. You need to have some of the in-between details covered so when that dream girl crosses you path, you have everything covered to capture and hold her interest.
By opening girl upon girl without any signal, that is going to keep reducing your anxiety until you are continuously finding yourself in the middle of conversations when you see it was so natural to get in them, you didn’t think twice.
This will also drop your conscious or unconscious desire for a specific outcome to happen in any interaction (they like you, you get a number, you get a date, whatever) which is detected in girls. They are very attracted to a man who they know can take or leave their company so easily since there is another girl waiting to be opened, waiting to enjoy your company.
Having those things so natural changes things in a man. Rather than settle for a girl that will spend time with him, he can have a clear picture of what he wants in a girl he spends the most time with and have exactly that. A man who has his relationships by choice because of who the people are, rather than chance because the work together or will settle, will see every other aspect in his life flourish in many ways.
If you look at the Pyramid of Maslow, the two steps before ‘Self-Actualization’ are in regards to the people in the life of a man. Once those basis are covered and covered well, the top step can have its refinement.
There are always parts throughout the processes that seem like hard work, but I can promise that the reward way-outweighs this work in a million ways.
To keep extinguishing that anxiety you told me of, I want you make a commitment to yourself. You told me you could open groups much better when you were directed or told to.
Throughout your days, you are all around the areas. I want you to start a conversation with 5 new people every day. It does not matter if the conversations last, this need no outcome at all, just the first steps. You can ask directions, ask the time, compliment somebody’s accessories, whatever.
If a conversation flourishes from this, then fantastic. If not, you have made your starting move and have succeed. You can track them in your phone’s memo pad, or write an email to yourself, or jot them down in a piece of paper. For each number, have at least one point about the person that will remind you of the conversation.
Depending on what you do though a day, if you don’t pass 5 new people in a day, go to the mall, the train station, or a place with a bunch of people and make sure your 5 is done.
To make sure you are accountable, then you can shoot me a quick email, with 1-5 listed and a point about each one. That is just to start creating a habit for yourself but we can also use those lists later to bring up points in conversations that you were involved in, to understand the pros and the cons of them.[/private]
I do something with the first people I see for the day to begin my social momentum for the day. As I was getting closer to the bus stop, I saw two girls. One was facing my direction and the other was facing the first girl, away from me. As I got up to the stop, I simply smiled and said “Hello” to the girl facing me.
“Hello” said the one facing me as her friend turned around to see who she was saying hi to. When the second girl turned, [private] she said “Hi” as well, to which I smiled. As I said, I was just greeting the girls to begin the social momentum for the day. There was nothing striking about them, so I just greeted them and left it at that.
As I got on the bus I could see three seats in a row, each with a girl sitting on the inside seat, leaving the outside one open. A quick scan had me take the seat with the cutest of the three, whom I sat next to.
She was wearing headphones, so I waited a few moments then I turned to her, smiled and asked if she knew which stop it was that the Pru was on (yes I knew this, but I was using the situational questions to feel her out). She explained the stop was Copley so I thanked her, gazed at her face for a moment and smiled. She put her earphones back on and went back to her music. I waited a few more beats of time to go by and I turned to her again.
“What color train is that stop on?” I asked her. She told me ‘green’ then asked me if I was new in town. When a girl asks any question about me, it is a signal of curiosity to know more about me and keep the conversation going.
So I went into my elaborate story of how I am from this area, yet I travel so much. I tell her of my last trip to Puerto Rico lasting 7 months longer than I first thought I would stay, then I went on to tell her about the beauty of the place, the friendliness of the people, the tropical animals and my practice in real-life Spanish.
I talked about the food there, and our conversation transitioned to trading stories about different ethnic restaurants in town. She described a Colombian restaurant she liked (which I noted in my head) and I told her how I love to meet up with friends at different spots to split appetizers. This was about 10 minutes since I first spoke to her.
Our conversation was flowing smoothly, back and forth. I could detect her interest in me and I thought she was cool to talk to. I gauged how many stops were left before I’d have to get off and I said to her: “You seem like you have a really cool energy, it’s a shame we can only enjoy each other’s company for the length of this bus ride.” She expressed agreement in smiles and nodding and small comments. I paused to let it sink in; I even looked away for a moment in thought.
Then I turned back to her. “I wonder what steps we’d need to take to pick this conversation up another time” and I let it sink in while she thought of ways two people could connect later. Trade info, exchange numbers, etc.
Then as if I was hit with a discovery I said. “Ya, we should definitely trade info so we can talk again another time” as I pulled out my cell phone. It never seems awkward when I take baby steps to this type of suggestion, just like the expected normal thing to happen next. I have found that by signaling my way up to the number seemed to be easily accepted and replied well to. It wasn’t an all-of-a-sudden: ‘Let me get your number’ out of nowhere in the conversation. I showed where I was going as if it was the natural next step. I also take the asking for anything out of the picture. I don’t ask for numbers, I suggest we trade information. More even exchange, less pressure.
My favorite part when I do things this way is when I start to suggest, sometimes the girl will have the idea: “Oh ya, give me your number.” Or whatever. This seems to drop the flake factor and have her more invested into waiting for/getting my call too. Not all girls do this, they still are humble feminine creatures but it is cool when they do, usually the outgoing ones.
So I pull out my phone to her.
“What is it?” I asked with my cell phone in hand as I selected ‘new contact’ on my phone.
“Jenna.” She told me.
“No your number. I have to punch that in first, then I can put your name to it.” I said. We hadn’t even traded names yet.
She told me her number; I punched it in and put ‘Jenna’ in the name section. “Ok, I will send you a text right now with my name in it so you can save the number. I’m C.J.” and I sent her a text right then. I could see my call coming through, now knowing it is a real number she gave (we had clicked pretty well so I had no reason to think it wouldn’t be but it is a habit) and she saved the number with my name to it.
We kept chatting and she subtly mentioned her brother & his speaking English. “Where is your family from?” I asked. Even when girls make small subtle points, they are stepping stones for more information, further conversation, getting to know each other better.
“Nicaragua.” She said.
“No kidding, como estas?” I had to ask, practicing my Spanish once again. “You can be my Spanish practice buddy.” (I do usually hint at girls getting stuck in my friend-zone if they don’t play their cards right. Here is another frame that I found by owning it first, I never get stuck in.)
She then told me she was riding the green line too and would be coming with me since her stop was one after mine. We boarded the train, chatting for the ride, when I got to my stop, I took her arm for a small squeeze and told her I would talk to her later.
To keep whatever emotional high she was in from meeting me, I sent her a text about an hour later: “Hey Jenna, now I am all curious about the Colombian place you told me of. We’ll have to go split appetizers when we both have time free. C.J.”
…and 20 minutes later I get her text back: “Definitely! =)”
me: my friend is having a small party tonight and i have a girl coming with me
how shouls i go about the nigh
im good at night game at big parties where its mostly grinding but im not so confident about a small house party
hey so she just asked me if she can bring friends
she has an annoying cockblock friend
whats a good way of telling her she cant?
cj: ur friends party, ur allowed to bring 1 guest
me: duh…
thanks
idk why i walways miss the simple stuff
she said ohh well i promised my firend ill go out with her tonight
cj: if you want her 2 come with cockblcok friend… tell her you’ll check with ur friend to make an axception. then wait a bit and tell her only one friend… that is if u want cockblock. myself, i would blow it off as in ok we’ll make it another night… to girl than later tell her what a phenomenal fun she missed. shows take her or leave her attitude and that she needs to make special accomodations 4 u which girls will do once you get their attarction/rap
me: she actually menioned another friend who im good with and shouldnt be a paroblem
cj: generally its best to stand your ground
she may be testing yoy if she sees u switch original stand u may come across as too supplicating… which is not attractive to girls
once i made a statement i stick to it
she then knows she has to accomodate to guy (what girls like to do) not guy aaccomomdating to her( girls find unattractive and too needy)… sticking toguns now may lead to more deeper attraction next time… u have girls all over your life. if sheis lucky enough for a chance to hang with u she learns to accomodate to what offers u give her
me: thanks
im at this girls place we were studying and now were watching a movie
i tried to escalate but she went to the kitchen and then went to sit on another couch
what can i do now
cj: well, your there now?
me: yes
cj: have u escalated before w/ her?
me: i tried she was ok with itfor a little but then she went to the kitchen and sat on another couch when she cme back
cj: sometimes i may say hey come sit here ( happily and patting place next to you) i want to show you somethinglike palm reading…
me: idk plam reading
what else can i use
cj: take her hand she her one of the lines on her palm and tell her it is a river. then pointide of the rivertell her there is an apple tree on that side of the river. then pint to the other side (you are holding her hand in yours this whole time)
and tell her bob and sue are on the other side of the river
then ask her how do bob and sue get across the frozen river to pick an apple
she’ll probably say they’ll walk the river is frozen
then you say if the river is frozen then its winter and there are no apples
you both can laught at thesilly joke but now you’ve been holding her hand for some time put it down after the joke but she should be morewarmed up to slow escalation at least off handed affection
me: i di that and she didnt find it funny and went back to her seat
cj: we’ll practice your deliverywhen we meetup again. she may be in ana off mood but who knows. if she was fine, then something crossed her mind to change things…
depending on her mood, i might tellher that she seems a little stressed, she should sit on floor in fornt of me between legs so i can rub her shoulders
like everything, may work or may not but u never know till u try. are u guys talking about stuff… do u know to seduce in conversation
me: no how do i do that
cj: first i like to bring up an imagination topic, to free up both of our minds if you couldwake tmrw anywhere in the world where would it be
then she tells me. i ask her why what about the place drew herto pick it
then sensually talk about all the details sights sounds smells of foodfeelings of temperaturetasted of foods theream imagination plane then maybe play in her imagination
ok if we were there tomorrow what the first thing we could do then talk about exploring the placetogether
the ni might say you know those fleeting moments when you feel truely alive while looking at herknowingly with a smirk
i love these moments
do you remember a time that everything was absoloutly prfect and you felt on top of the world
then id ask her to decribe that time while off handedly touching her while i was asking her for detailsadding on to her descriptions
id watch her face while she talks… not even so much on the eyes but roaming around her face her shoulders her neck then back to her face
every so often while she is talking i would look at her face stop my gaze lick my own as i imagined kissing her then back to listening
every time i spoke it would be lowand deep words spoken slowly elongating the vowels pronouncng carefully even when i was speakingi might gaze around her face pasue on her lips and pause mid sentence of what i was saying lick my bottom lip then keep talking
me: tha nks
her roomates just showed up so imight need to hold off on that till tomorrow
cj: that might have been why she held off to prevent things getting too hot then having her roommated walk in
girls do that if she guessed when they’s be back
“Hey It was great hanging out. I learned A LOT. I learned that I worry too much about what is going to happen ad how things are going to play out. The problem with this line of thinking is in many ways it prevents anything from actually ahppening. Also if something was to get started… how am I to know if its going too play out like the fantasy that is going on in my head.
Im too emotional way too quick and keep thinking about what ifs. I think If I were to focus on just chatting with a girl and not caring about an outcome or thinking of one I should be fine. I need to let go of how I have seen things play out in the past and roll int the future.
There are lots of things you have said tonight that Im hanging onto, like “You owe her as much as the time you have spent with her”. Im going to be focusing on that and what kind of mood and attitude I need to have in order to achieve talking to someone without thinking too much.
Another one of my issues is after I get the convo going… as I did tonight with Amy, I end up running out of crap to talk about.
A fix for this would be to figure out what im going to be talking about beforehand. I like what you said about get them talking and just sit back and let them talk and do all the listening.
I need to get out and practice more.
Keep me posted about what your up to….. also, Im going to look into Vegas for the weekend of the 29th. That would be a fucking blast.” ~Lestat138
In essence I tell Mya that I don’t want to fuck a girl based on appearance, I want to fuck a girl based on what I find inside.
I can look at beautiful woman, but beauty is common. I have dated too many tens/models/strippers than I’d like to admit… but for me to want any sexy-time out of a situation, I need a girl who can entertain my insides.
Since beauty is too common, there are three things I look for. A good personality, a good energy, and a good outlook.”
I look her down then up to her eyes: “You got two out of three, its a good start.”
Then she wants to know which ones she has & which one she is missing. Things turn into a playful cat & mouse as I change the subject.
GreyWolf has sent you the following message:
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me: whats a good way to reengage that chick from the party that left
I feel like if i dont make contact its gonna go cold
cj: how many days ago was the party
me: sat night, so 2
cj:thats fine, problems come from being too quick seeming needy rather than waiting too long. you are a busy guy and maybe can squeeze her in.
me: Hey some friends of mine are having a small party at their house tonight
do you think it would be good to invite that girlthat walked out on me last weekend
or is it too soon still
and if its not then how should i go about doing it
cj:just let her know it is going on and she is welcome to come
talk about the fun it will be the time and the approximate location… so you have more to tell her if she shows interest
me: funny thing happened last night
I was at dinner at my proffesor’s house (he is an orthodox jew) and he had friends over
one of his friends came with his niecewo isn’t religious and is a senior in college
me her her uncle and his wife walked to her car at the end of the night and she gave me a ride home
I got her number and invited her to aparty
The funny thing is that while we were walking her uncle asked me to date her since she has a nonjewish boyfriend
she is actually really cute so im down to try
but since she isnt religious i think it might do me more harm to have her uncle play me up to her
cj: prolly girls are more likely to date ppl their parent dont like when the girl is trying to break out of the familymold
me: will it do me well to display to her thatim also not religious
cj: yes and if your parents are religoius it shows you have similar struggles
me: my parents are secular like me
how should i structure the conversation when i call her to get her to come
cj: easiest is to just tell her of an awesome party she can come to
me: so at the party i danced a little bit with this girl i danced with before
she offered me her number and i took it
she didnt want to kiss but i think it might have been cause her friends were there
i know she has a boyfirend but i dont think she is very loyal so that shouldnt be a problem
what and when should i text her
should i invite her to hang out or wait for a party
cj: first before i ask yo uquestions what does your gut tell you, hang out or party
me: she is abit of aparty girl and probablly gave me her number so i’d invite her to parties so i think party but i could be wrong
cj: thats your logic adding things up is that what you felt when she gave it to you
me: she might have given it so i’d call to hang out later but im not sure
what would you do
cj: ok so you can just toss things out there if it was her idea to get # you never know you can toss things like im going to grab a bite wanna join
or im watching xyz movie swingby if you want etc
to see if she captures at the offers
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I’ll use this reply to isolate some nuggets in your post.
[quote=Ofey]
Me: Ah, you guys don’t have Asian Fetish do you? [b]I may be sexy, but I will not be objectified![/b] [/quote]
Shows that you have a better handle of what girls go through, their perspective is than most guys have. It also flips the coin enough & many girls will like to play along as the objectifying aggressor. It is another playful time that can lead to more great things in a near future with a girl.
I use these type of playful presuppositions all the time. After a few minute conversation with a hott cocktail waitress at a venue, with me stacking about four of these in a row, she was grabbing my arm and telling me “I love you” in a playful way. She was loving the fact that I showed her I understood a woman’s world in all of this, but not a bad place to start off.
[quote=Ofey]
At one point I give her a noogie…don’t remember why but when the energy spiked.[/quote]
Great way to further treat a girl as you would a little sister. This is something that would stand way out from what guys in bars are doing in how they treat her. Not every girl would go for it, but a wicked fun/playful vibe to set in if they do….and a great way to seize a high point.
[quote=Ofey]
At one point I lean back and look her up and down very obviously.
HBRight: what’re you looking at??
Me: your angles
HBRight: my what?
Me: them currrves
HBRight: um…what about them
Me: yeah you’re fuckin sexy[/quote]
That is great, keeping her in full participation of the compliment. She is asking for each small step in the process.
Sometimes I may take a girl by the back of the neck, pull her close so I can tell her in her ear “You are sexy as fuck.” then I push her back a bit and keep talking.
Most likely I’ll be changing the subject so the compliment can sink in & she doesn’t have a chance to erase it with her sassy shit.
That’s like most compliments. When a girl is complimented by a guy, she feels a pressure to thank him. Girls are brought up to be polite and gracious, so they will feel a gap to fill if there is a pause after a compliment.
If sliding in those compliments clear enough so she hears them, but then talking past the time she would be saying ‘thank you’ for them, gives them a better chance to have it more of an open loop.
She doesn’t feel like she has to be polite and thank anybody. They come across as a statement of opinion, and she doesn’t feel the need to exchange her polite ‘thanks’ in return for it.
Then when it came to this:
[quote=Ofey]Me: oh yeah? that’s cool though your dad’s would love me. but your boyfriend wont cuz he’d be jealous you like me so much.[/quote]
Is another great way to take what you have detected and tell her what you see in words. In the way women think they often look to those around them to define what is going on in what they feel and why they are doing what they do. By interpreting things in the best possible way at first, they are more likely to go along with that and it tends to flourish. They are more likely to be doing more things in the the direction they heard.
This case was about a boyfriend, but statements like this can be adapted to other similar ‘cold read’ type things too.
Another great presupposition:
[quote=Ofey]I see one of our guys talking to like 6 girls so I go in to wing. I go in with “hey —–, why do you have so many women?” I ask the girls if they’re nice or if I need to be worried for my friends safety[/quote]
This girl that I met at 10pm last night, kept me up till 6am today.
Then at 12:30 today, this comes in:
“:) I have not stopped smiling all day, sorry about the latch, hope the rest of ur day goes just as well, I’ll talk to u soon” ~HBScorpio
When I write/post rest of story, you’ll see what I mean when SNL becomes 8 hour love story that needs a sequel to be congruent.
Sure I fall in love like junior high girls get crushes, but 4 some reason the love is real (totally in love with the moments we share(d) & wouldn’t trade those 4 the world.). …..X, Ttyl. CJ
#1- Push her against a door
Simply look her deep in the eyes for a whole moment, saying nothing. Then grab her and push her back against a door with you coming to the door too, to make a girl sandwich with your body and the door. Press yourself into her and start making out with her aggressively. Enjoy every taste of her like she is a delicious desert. Tell her: “I want to fall inside you.” but still hold off. Once you told her that, the seed has been planted, let her want more of you as long as you can.
This same move can also work against a wall, but you have to be extra careful about pushing her against a hard surface that doesn’t give (it can hurt and break her out of the moment) and a wall makes less of a ”SLAM!” noise than a door does. Be firm not shoving.
Dominant sex move #2- Pull her hair
For foreplay, stand behind her, kissing her neck. First rach up to the back of her head where her hair starts, and pull her hair back. Girls really go crazy for this.
When you’re doing her doggy style (a very dominant position), you can enhance your dominance by pulling her hair as you say dirty words in your low sexy voice to her.
Dominant sex move #3- Push her face into
the floor
Phucking her doggy is very dominant. You are physically above her and she is on her hands and knees. As you’re phucking her doggy style, use your hand to force her head and shoulders into the bed sheets. Sometimes I lay her on her stomach, he legs together. Then from above her I enter her while using my hands on her lower back, lightly pinned to the bed. She can feel total surrender in this.
Dominant sex move #4- Pin her hands down
Once some playful flirts have gone back and forth between you two, throw her onto the bed missionary position and with her hands above her head, forcefully pin them down as you phuck her.
Dominant sex move #5- Fuck her hard, fast,
and deep
Girls like it when you ravish the shit out of them with everything you have, full of passion and energy. Phucking a girl hard, fast, and deep is both dominant and characteristic of a healthy alpha male in full embrace of his masculine energy.
Dominant sex move #6- Kiss her forcefully
take her face and push your tongue in, like you are giving her a forceful tongue penetration. Make the kiss wet, forced, and nasty. Every time a tongue is pushed in their mouth they assocaite that to penetration on them in hotter places.
Dominant sex move #7- Manhandle her into
position
When you want to switch position, (each one is a combination of new sensations for her) don’t tell her nicely. Decide what you want and manuver her that way. You can roughly grab your girl by the legs, arms, waist, or whatever body part to get her moved right and forcefully manhandle her into the next position you want her in.
Yes there is an exception to every rule, but as a general principal, girls follow their biological coding and stay feminine and humble, to be approached.
Now when a dude stares across the bar, or the dance floor, he is broadcasting way too loud and clear and practically begging to be approached by the woman. Sorry buddy, its not going to happen. Get out of your seat, walk over to her and [private]
say hi.
Girls do not approach guys.
I see guys with this on their mind all the time. The other night I was on the bus and this hott girl got on. I was in a conversation with a girl I purposefully sat next to. The hott girl got on the bus and sat down, he sat in the seat facing sideways in front of her. In the way he sat down, I first was convinced he was going to start a conversation. It almost looked as if her knew her…that was until a minute or two went by.
Watching him look over at her, I could tell he wanted to talk to her but he didn’t. In my head I was rooting for him to just say hi, his seat was in front of hers, it was so easy to have some small talk as the bus went along. She probably would love a little chat to make the boredom of the bus ride go by, and if he had some skill, he could easily generate some attraction in the few minutes till one of their stops came up.
Girls do not approach guys. Sure, there are always wonderful exceptions and you will find yourself better off knowing this as a rule. Girls are biologically the passive creature. They are not going to approach you, and they wont respond to your approach if it is way too obvious you are interested in them before knowing them.
Now when a dude stares across the bar, or the dance floor, he is broadcasting way too loud and clear.
Girls do not approach guys.
There are always wonderful exceptions but you will find yourself better knowing this as a rule. Girls are biologically the passive creature. They are not going to approach you, and they wont respond to your approach because it is way too obvious you are interested in them. Do a little eye-contact flirting. Once you get a signal that she is interested, walk on over.
I turned to look out the train window as I saw a girl looking at me in the reflection. I locked eyes with her and at the 2nd second of duration had come, as I usually do I started to smile. She looked like a kid caught looking in the xmas closet and averted her gaze, turned her head like I busted her.
If ‘under the radar’ girl coded signals were sent..or if any was, but. A few minutes later I talked to the friend sitting close to me. She seemed very open and eager to be drawn into conversation.
So it all started at Allston bar/grill, Sunset Grill. I was there a little early to be meeting some friends there for dinner. The waitress gave me a table beeper and I sat at the bar to wait for my friends. I was sitting on the corner of the bar and on the adjacent side of the bar were 4 girls in a row. I eye contacted with a smile the two that were closest to me.
As soon as the girl closest to me got her drink, we talked about her beer a bit. We mad some jokes about beers. To explain her reasons to be out on a weeknight, she says that she and her friends ran the marathon that day, so even though I only partially believe her (based on her delivery) I play along with her joke.
I scan across the row of girls and notice the one farthest from me, the youngest and the cutest of the bunch is doing some eye contact flirting heavily but is much more reserved than the other 3 girls.
The first girl then points out each girl in the row and tells me of something that was significant about them in the marathon simultaneously doing a mini-intro without names. She tells me one girl had a knee go out in the last 2 miles, that she personally had stomach ache during part of the race and small factors about each one during the race. It seems as if she is making the whole thing up, but I play along for playful sake.
At one point she is playing with her phone and I see an engagement/wedding band on the indicator finger. She was wicked fun to talk & joke with, so I just noted it in my head & went on with the convo. My first buddy shows up. After a few minutes of catch up talk, I quickly introduce him in to the girls. I use the same intro the first girl did with me when she introduced me to the group.
I started announcing the group to my buddy as an introduction. “Ya, and these girls ran the marathon today. This girl had a stomach-ache, This girl a knee problem…” I began with…. and the first girl finished my introduction to my buddy with the specifics she told me previously. She finished up the introductions.
Conversation went on with me, my buddy & mostly the girl closest to us and a little less with next girl over and even less with the 3rd girl in the group.( Nothing but gazes from the last girl in the row.) At one point the second girl in the row mentioned her husband offhandedly in a comment so I made my second note in my head. The girls were fun to chat with, so it kept going on for a few minutes until their appetizers came.
As the first 3 girls were eating their appetizers, I saw the last girl in the row, the one making her heavy eye contact flirts. She had no appetizer and was just sitting with her drink. She was blond, very cute & definitely caught my attention. She had a rocker chick vibe which has caught & held my attention more than once. I excused myself from my buddy, walked down the bar to where this last girl was sitting and started talking. I first was [private]talking about the marathon again and this girl mentioned that she didn’t even go, she told me the other things she did that day.
The conversation jumps from that to places she’s worked in the past, her love for snowboarding, her origin of a different state. She tells me of her parents, her studies in school. She also tells me what she loves about her studies although her line of work was nothing even closely related. She is getting really excitedly passionate explaining these things, which I find very attractive. I still wasn’t thinking of her as much more than a cool chick to be talking to at the time. As far kino was concerned, the only touching I do is basic offhanded touches that goes easily in any conversation.
We get pretty involved in conversation as I see her getting more interested. She is turning her chair more away from the bar and more towards me and getting excited about the topics she mentioned that I asked her more about as she was elaborating. She was getting excited in her topics and was fun listening to her telling her stories this way. Seeing her interest and energy raising, I point out my friend who diagonally across the bar to point him out to her. I tell her that I think she is wicked cool but I have to get back to my friend (another way to roll out on a high point), we are waiting for another friend before getting a table.
“Oh we should totally trade contact so we can pick this up another time.” I tell her. She agrees and takes out her phone as I was taking out mine. I tell her my information and tell her to call her number through so I have it for later. Then I select her call, select ‘Add to contacts” and hand her my phone telling her to type in the information so I have it saved. She does this and while I am saving it we get into other conversations.
We then talk more about where she was from, what she studied in college and her love for snowboarding and her 3 month trip in the past winter. The conversation was still rolling along nicely so I stayed in it for a few minutes before getting back to my friend. As I start to walk away from her, I turn back and tell her that my friend and I are waiting for another chick friend and then we are getting a table. I tell her as soon as our other friend arrives that she should join us at the table too. She says it sounds good so I tell her I will let her know when I get buzzed for the table.
I go back to my buddy, our other chick friend arrived and I get buzzed for the table. Before sitting down, I go back to HBsnowboard and tell her I just got buzzed for the table. She tells me she is going to the bathroom and will be over after.
So my two friends and I go sit at our new table. We sit and are chatting and laughing along. This new table was on a totally opposite side of the restaurant but a few minutes later I see HBsnowboard coming in the dining room and making her way over. My buddy and chick friend were on the other side of the table so the available seat was on the bench seating next to me where she sat down.
We all ordered and talk and laugh for the next 2 hours or so. We really were just a table of pals chatting it up over dinner, with a new pal involved. Turns out, this girl was not with the other 3 at the bar, she just met them and were insta-friended by them.
All sorts of things come up in our conversation. When I bring up off handed topics of sex, we talk of wacky places to have sex. Then she tells me that she lost her virginity twice. First was with two other girls, then a different time with a guy. We talk of the way Joey Lauren Adams character in ‘Chasing Amy’ explained concepts related to losing virginity and the differences between girl/boy sex and girl/girl sex.
This new girl fit right in with our conversations and everything went along great. I excused myself at one point after dinner to have a smoke and new girl said she was coming with me to smoke as well. While we were outside, I asked her about the hookah bars nearby. Once I learned she liked them, I told her of my hookah at my house.
She told me of her day & of her two roommates. One was a guy and the other was girl who didn’t really like each other. She told me she was a mediator between the two at times. While we were chatting outside, I asked her what she was doing the next day and she told me nothing. I mentioned going back to my place after dinner to smoke hookah and told her she was welcome to come along. She then remembered she was supposed to meet her guy roommate at a nearby bar for a few but said she would skip that since she was having fun with me and could catch up to him later.
We went back inside, had a few more drinks. My buddy had to leave early since he had an NY trip in the following morning so HBsnowboard, my chick friend and myself stayed for another round chatting and laughing. We all paid the bill, I hugged my chick friend goodbye and HBsnowboard and her exchanged “nice meeting you”s with each other.
I first was ready to shoot back to my place with HBsnowboard to smoke some hookah when she tells me that she now has to go to the nearby bar to check on her guy roommate and touch base with him…this was the same one she decided to skip meeting with earlier when it came up. She tells me this and I say nothing, I just look at her. She then then tells me I can come too if I want.
“Alright, why not. That’s a fun bar, I’ll hang for a little bit.”
Sure I could have let her go or said bye or even tried to give her address or directions to my house but I know from prior experience what happens. Her attraction drops, the rapport is temporarily forgotten and a girl will get wrapped up in a new activity. She will be wrapped in the moments and not make it to after plans. I was having fun & came along to the nearby bar she was meeting her roommate at.
HBsnowboard and I go inside. I go up to the bar ahead of her and order a diet coke. She comes up behind me and orders her drink. We chat some more for a while till she sees her guy roommate across the bar and waves to him. A minute or two later, she tells me she is going over to say hi to him. On her second step away, she tells me I should come too. I tell her ok and let her walk over there by herself. I finish my coke and watch TV for a few minutes where I was.
I do that for her to have the first few minutes with her roommate to catch up with whatever without me there yet. After a few minutes, I wander over to them, sit in the stool on the other side of her and then get introduced. I had some small talk with roommate and let them chat about whatever they were chatting about. When it died down a bit, I pick up conversation with HBsnowboard from topics we talked about earlier in the night. Once she was done with her drink, she indicated she wanted to leave the bar so we said bye to her roommate and went to the bustop to go to my place. I stilll haven’t kissed her at all.
Once we got there, I showed her different things around my place. We talked of where some of the decorating ideas came from and talked about different framed pieces on the walls. At one point while talking about a wall of framed photos, she points to a single one with a sexual theme and says to me: “I like that one”
Hearing her say this, I am watching her face as she does. When she finishes speaking I pull her close and start kissing her for first time, full make out. With many girls I kiss them the first time when we’re already back to my place. Before that it was nothing but offhanded touches in convo and hints dropped by me to them. Enough sexual tension can be built with conversation alone that timing gets to be crucial here. We made out for a few minutes in this hallway. I stopped this after a few and kept talking about the art on the walls and directed her to come with me to see another piece. This piece was in my bedroom. We talked about it for a minute then I pulled her to me again and started kissing her.
With two steps away, I moved us over and fell with her on my bed to keep making out. This went on for about 10 minutes. I was rubbing the sides of her body and rubbing the skin of her back and stomach under her shirt. Once I reached around to unhook her bra, she stopped me, sat up and told me that we just met.
I playfully pushed her back and said “I know it, cut it out.” in a playful smirk. I then stood up, took her hand and said “Come with me.” As I took her back in the living room, I put some music on. I asked if she wanted a glass of water and got her and myself one. We talked for a while and listened to music. She edged her seat on the couch to be tiny bit closer to me so I put my arm around her and started making out again. We made out for a while, and I stopped it to change the radio. I just went easily back into a completely unrelated topic every so often. Then I would bring it back to escalating again.
At one point she half jokingly told me she thought I was a gentleman, that she didn’t expect all this. I told her I never claimed to be gentle with a smirk on my face. I then told her I was attracted to her and asked her: “What’s wrong with that?” She shyly told me nothing. I told her that I didn’t think so either.
A little later I told her I wanted to give each other backrubs. I unfolded the futon and told her I wanted the backrub first. She told me she didn’t think she could do it well and I told her I was open to see what she could do.
I took off my shirt, lied down and she straddled me sitting on my ass. After a few minutes, I told her she wasn’t that good (jokingly but not joking at the same time). I then told her to get off of me so she could lie down and I show her how a backrub is supposed to feel.
She does that, and I start to rub the back of her shirt. After a minute, I tell her to take off the shirt and she does that. As soon as the shirt is off I unhook her bra. Then I rub her back for a while before moving to her sides and teasing the sides of her boobs. I also lean in really close to her, pausing rubbing her back to breath in around her neck and smell her hair so she can feel the air rushing as I can inhale her scents.
She is wearing nylons under her skirt. I go to pull her skirt down and she asks me “What are you doing?”
Rather than explain the obvious, I just tell her. “Take this off” as I press the waist of her skirt to show her what I mean. She does that. Previously doing things like that, I thought I had to continue the thread of giving a harmless backrub. Now understanding how girls think in a moment-to-moment basis, I know once she has gon along with having the skirt off, she is in a new moment with a new objective. Once she has it off, I turn her over to her back and we continue making out of a while. I am in no rush. I enjoy making out with her and I have learned that sometimes the longer amount of time between steps faces less resistance… while sometimes trying to get too many steps in succession increases the likelihood of resistance. This lets me get her really hot with lots of slow sensual touches…I enjoy this. A few more minutes go by & I then feel her hands fiddling with my belt buckle. I show her how it works and then take it off myself.
After 10 minutes or more, I go to pull her nylons down. As I just start to put my fingers under the waist band.[/private] She feels this and takes the nylons and her panties off herself
It is said that 1st two weeks of semester have highest ratio of SNLs, Mmm…So 2nd day girl from my class comes along to improv with me after class, then with me to have wine with me & see my place and one thing leads to another… I love it when a girl is thanking me as she is leaving after sex .
The following day of class (2days later, ystrday) she introduces me to her hott friend, we all meet up for wine last night. When we all get back to my place, of course I suggest a 3 way massage but it never even gets that, right to 3 of us enjoying each other naked…sexual tension within dialog leads to beautiful things [/VIDEO LINK chemistry convo seed to 3some
Awesome! Just last night I was headed back to Brighton with a chick & we were waiting at last T-stop for last bus of the night.
We had been making out every so often at prior stations & on the train & this last bus was taking forever to get there. She re-referenced the ‘anticipation’ that I mentioned earlier to her in an underlying message related to sex but this[private] bus was taking an awfully long time
We we standing at ground level. While she was leaning back on me, subtly grinding my cock through my jeans with her ass, I noticed an elevator that goes down to the underground station.
I playfully remarked “I wonder where that goes.” as I pointed it out to her.
Once she played along and mentioned she had no idea, I could tell she knew what I meant & why I was indicating the elevator right now. I told her we should go check it out. She picked up her bag & followed me over.
We went into the elevator, took it down to the subway platform & saw that since it had glass doors, it was not inconspicuous enough to the walkways underground.
We pushed the button back to street level & I noticed that in one corner of the elevator had no visibility even with the glass door. So I pushed her in the corner of the elevator & we made out there while I could lean back every so often to see if the bus had arrived yet.
At one point during making out she pulled her boob out of the top of her shirt and I went to suck on her nipple. After a few minutes, I unbuttoned my pants, pulled my cock out & pushed on her shoulder, motioning her down.
At first she said she couldn’t do that, we’d get busted. Once I assured her that we couldn’t be seen in the corner we were in, she slid down and gave me head in the elevator.
With her still at this position, I could still lean back, see through a tiny pass through the glass and watch for the bus.
Just when I pulled her up, spun her around so her ass was turned towards me & and started to pull down her pants, I was going to fuck her standing up from the rear. She then got wicked embarrassed and said she couldn’t do that.
No problem, the bus just rolled up so we could finish our journey to my place. Later that night, when we were talking about the elevator during escalation & sex at my place, she mentioned she was about one minute from going ahead with it in the elevator. Love to capture those moments as they become available! [/private]
hold eye contact with every girl, longer than her – every time.
When you see a woman that you find attractive and she looks back at you DO NOT LOOK AWAY. Hold that eye contact. That you’re bold and [private]you’re proud about the fact that you were checking her out.. She is a woman, there for you to enjoy, to look at, to talk to, to eventually touch.
For example, when you are walking by stores in a mall, you are looking directly at every woman that crosses your path. Walk into every store, look directly into her eyes of every single woman that you encounter and do not look away until after she does.
To raise your bets, as soon as she has been holding eye contact with you for a whole second, let your smile fade in with second number two. If she smiles back, start taking steps towards her, she has just invited you to come over and say hi.
Once I meet them, my eye contact says: “I am interested in learning more about you, but I am not over powered by your presence in any way. I am soaking it in.” I look directly at them in the conversation and only glance away a few times as I am speaking to remember details of what I am talking about. They have my attention for the moment. As the conversation progresses, I break the eye contact, looking away, talking to other people..allowing myself to be distracted then coming back to look directly at them. This shows I am not needy in any way (and not a psycho).
When it comes to a first date, I don’t look at them very much. I act like they are my best friend. I joke around, I have fun, I make observations of goofy things around us. We are now on a team mentality, looking at the world around us from a shared perspective. Nothing is too serious and this keeps the question in her mind “Does he like me?”
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“You won’t believe what I have in store for you!” I told her.
So once again I see the reason it’s great to maintain some contact with a girl I’ve met that I liked but didn’t go [private]very far at first. It was approx 2 years ago or so I went to a Halloween party with a chick friend of mine who also did improv at the Improv Asylum when I did.
At the party, I was introduced to a bunch of cool new people and even traded numbers with some to stay connected. I was dressed as a woman that year, so the chicks seemed to love teasing me in ways that guys tease chicks or objectify them in a playful way.
There was even more than one occasion through the night where I found it necessary to say “Hey! I am more than just a piece of meat for you to enjoy. I have deep feelings and you have to respect me for those.” Totally joking in the moment, of course, and some chicks would take it even further, continuing the thread in a way I liked. When girls grabbed my stuffed boobs I would grab their real ones in response. They just laughed.
They would have playful comments to say I was just a piece of meat or their toy for the night (which I didn’t mind at all). One girl, let’s say Anna, was acting pretty frisky and even was trying to exert some playful dominance on me. To re-remind her of the man inside the costume, I simply picked her up, her back over one of my arms, her legs draped across the other, the way a parent would carry an infant or a groom would carry his bride across the threshold of the motel room. Somebody snapped a photo of this.
Days later, several of us found & friended each other on facebook and she saw this photo so she tagged herself. We commented here & there on each other posts every once in a while, nothing too constant just little hellos.
It wasn’t until a week or two ago I posted a comment “My dance moves are ok, but show me a stripper pole & I really come alive.”
It was my joke. People could take it how they wanted but I wrote it as two unrelated concepts. I could dance ok, but if I was watching a stripper pole with a stripper on it, I would come ‘alive’, so to speak.
She simply commented “Dude, me too!” to which I went to her FB page and wrote: “I hear a dance-off starting to form. You have no idea what sort of competition you’re up against.”
She commented to my post, saying: “Stiff, no doubt.”
Thank you very much Ms. Anna, for starting the sexual undertoned comments. This is my favorite place to be, inspiring these type of comments in girls with my subtlety, then continuing the ping-pong effect.
Soon after, I then had a post on my own page from a magazine article I recently read that said that Boston had the 3rd highest IQ average in the nation. She went & asked what the first two were. They were Raleigh NC and something else, but I saw her question as a set up for a cocky joke on my part.
“What were the first two?” She asked.
“Brighton and Brighton again, both first and second place.” I replied, since Brighton is my neighborhood I wanted to subtly indicate in a joke that I was responsible for the high IQ here.
She went on to agree, then said “Coincidence? I think not…I mean assuming Allston is part of Brighton…”
With: “Coincidence? I think not…” I could see she got my joke. Once she said: “assuming Allston is a part of Brighton…” I saw that she got my joke, and if she was living in Allston, then she was installing herself into the joke, playing along at my level. I read enough interest in this to take it to the next tiny step up. I sent her a private message.
“I had no idea that we’re practically neighbors. If you weren’t such a mischief maker, I’d think we should do coffee or split appetizers & catch up n’stuff…”
In this, I acknowledged her ‘ping’ of letting me know she lived near me with my ‘pong’ of the “neighbors” in the message to let her know I got the idea. I then was suggesting we should hang out soon with a disqualifier of: “If you weren’t such a mischief maker…”
I already could read into our ping-pong comments that she wanted to hang out. By expressing a small reason why we should not, she instantly tries to overcome it. This generates a tiny bit more attraction with a sleight indication (‘we want more what we cannot have’) and is a good place to begin the momentum of a girl in pursuit of a guy, not the other way around.
So the next ‘ping’ reply she gave me was: “Precisely why we should. Mischief loves company. Or something like that…” Which is great. Rather than me asking her if she wants to hang out, I tell her a tiny silly reason why we should not, and she is the first one to actually say that we should hang out. She could guess that mischief was something I like in a girl, so she is guessing at a way to qualify herself to me, and agreeing with the sexual undertones it carries.
Now that she is the one suggesting we hang out, I can play some more with her. I tell her this: “Ok. Maybe that makes sense if we warn the other neighbors first, just in case. Do you text?”
I still indicate the “Maybe” letting her know she hasn’t won my total approval of the idea yet, keeping her working. “Warning the neighbors” was to continue the mischief theme but in the subtext. I saw I had her number from a time back that I never followed up on, I I wanted to keep her invested in this thread’s momentum so I just asked if she texts.
“Of course. Doesn’t everyone? I have no use for the phone other than texting & email & cool games & stuff.” And signed with a nickname I didn’t previously know of hers and her number. By telling me the nickname, she indicated to me a bit more rapport, so from that time on, I called her that to continue it.
I then shot her a text with my phone. “Although I don’t know what I’m getting into with you. Here is my #. ~C.J.”
Then began the texting banter. She must have been in rhyming mood, because she mentioned something about our names rhyming. That rhyme made me think of an improv game I working to be played at the improv group I regularly am a part of. I told her of it, that is was a scene with a bartender whose customer had a problem that he came in and sang about. The bartender would sing his advice, and they both had to rhyme with each other. So I told her to come to improv.
Then she asks me if they serve drinks at the venue the improv is at. I tell her they don’t but we usually go to Unos for drinks and snacks.
She shows up and participates in the improv some, which is good since I bet she thought it was just a show. When it came time to go to Unos she came right along.
At Unos, I directed her to the corner seat in the booth, then I sat next to her (not across table from her) so I could be in close touching distance. When we were talking it was easy to put my hand on her leg for a moment when I was making a point, or to be touching her regularly throughout the conversation. It was easy to be bouncing from conversation with her, which I kept at a closer face to face distance, to the conversations going around the table with my other friends. Since I saw her look to my lips a few times when we were talking so close, I just leaned in & kissed her to which she kissed back and giggled a little.
We traded stories, I told her of my lifecoaching/dreamcatching gig and she tells me that she had an unfulfilled dream.
“What is it?” I ask
“I want to strip.”
I had to tell her my joke that is true: “When I was a kid, my dad was a firefighter so I always wanted a firefighter pole in may house. Since I have grown up, I settled for a stripper pole to be at my house.
After that the easy kisses just came every so often, so I asked her if she drove that night. She told me that she does drive, but took the T since to avoid the parking. I then told her I would have hit her up for a lift home if she had her car. She started telling me of taking the T back together since both of our areas are on the same color line. Then she cut herself off and suggested we split a cab since we live relatively close with each other. I agreed and conversations of other topics came in and out.
When I stepped out to smoke a butt, an adjustment to the dynamic came to me. Different friends that were there had given me a ride home before. When I got back inside I said to Anna “Sometimes my friend gives me a lift back to my place, I wonder if it would be cheaper for you to take a cab back from my place.”
Her first reply was “Couldn’t he just give me a ride back to my place too?”
I had already though of the possibility of her thinking this so I told her. “It is much easier for me to ask for a ride for you & me back to my place than also be asking for a ride for you, a person they just met first time tonight to a whole other place…taking more time.” It was unspoken, but there is a sleight indication that by asking for this extra favor might have less of a change of being favorably granted.
Girls are great at thinking of all the possibilities in a social situation. If she was to put all the possibilities on the table then it would compare. She may like me to be splitting a cab with her, spending a little more time together. I thought of that, but it wouldn’t be as smooth to get her back to my place in those circumstances. If she denied the suggestion, I may just tell her to take the T back and I will get a ride from my friend. Of course I don’t know for sure, but I bet she considered that last possibility. She agreed that a cab back from my place would make the most sense.
Most of the ride, while she was in the back I spent most of the time during the ride, talking to my friend, making small points to her. So during the ride back, as we passed a road that a turn would lead to her place, she mentioned it this way: “Left” quietly in a playful tone. Although I didn’t know exactly where she lived, I guessed what she was getting at.
“No problem, you can take a cab back from my place.” Thankfully, my buddy didn’t interject by saying he could take her to her house. He might have not even known what she was talking about when she said “Left,” since he does know how to get to my place and thought that’s where we were going.
She said nothing else, so the conversation continued and we arrived at my apartment. I was sort of offering that my buddy comes in too, but thankfully he beat me to the punch. He said he had to run, that he had an early morning tomorrow.
So Anna and I went up to my apartment. She came in very confidently, opposed to how I do notice when girls are sometime a bit hesitant for a few when they are in a guys place their first time. They come in for the tour, settle to the environment as I offer them a drink and get them settled in a comfortable area.
She went on to be playing with my cat. I told her that I thought it was awesome that she got along so well with the cat and the cat liked her. She seemed to spend an extra minute or two playing with the cat after I said that.
She previously told me she had an unfulfilled dream of stripping some day. She had a very tight body, exercised regularly and I could see she had a palm sized ass, still beautiful hip curves. Of course I had to show her the stripper pole I have installed at my place. It has always gotten a playful reception form girls who come over for dinner parties and for other reasons.
She loved it. She started showing off her moves to which I sat back and enjoyed the show. After a few minutes, when she had done a good multi-move sexy routine, she was closer to where I was sitting with her ass in my direction. I simply put a hand on each side of her hips, pulled her down to be sitting next to me, and let the makeout begin.
Things escalated for a while, she kissed her way down my stomach to give me some head, which was actually very good. Since I did want to fuck her, I stopped her at doing this, guided her to be on her back and did some ravishing all over her body to get her more aroused.
I ran my hands and kissed, all over her body. As I was kissing her belly, my hands were up on her boobs. With a quick maneuver with my hand, I unhooked her bra (I would recommend practice on these to be very smooth). I did this while kissing, usually when done quickly and smoothly, girls hardly notice it is coming off (which they like things to be that smooth) until they feel their nipples are being played with.
We play-wrestled around on the futon, making out & playing different ways. Then in a smooth, unbutton and slide down, her pants came off. While kissing her below, she had moans of pleasure but still was gently and playfully resisting and laughing.
She was enjoying what she was feeling, yet didn’t want to surrender to me yet I could tell. I could feel that in her, and wasn’t bothered so I kept repositioning us in different ways through our wrestling, both of us laughing.
Probably to avoid the slut-label girls often think they need to avoid during a first night encounter like this. She pulled her pants back up. Once I first detected this, I took the control. Taking the waistband of her pants, I pulled them all the way up, rezipped and rebuttoned them while saying “Whoa missy, as much as I am attracted to you, we are going way too fast.”
By seizing her hesitation to be my hesitation, I now had more of the control of it. When I resparked sexy-time further, it is more as if her sexy moves had me to reconsider my choice of slowing things down, in a subtle way. Even when she was on top of me and things got hotter and heavier in both of us, she went to stand up for a moment. That is fine, she can let those feelings of me touching her to soak in & her feeling her arousal without me touching her for a moment, building desire in her.
Rather than try to keep things in a state of continuation, I laid my head back and mostly closed my eyes. I was just enjoying her for the moment, we were making out and escalating so now that it paused, I just sat back and enjoyed what was previously going on. Instead of glaring at her in anticipation for more escalation, I was just comfortable. Sure I had my eyes closed but one squinted every so often so I could see what she was doing. That way she didn’t feel like she had my full attention, eagerly awaiting her next move. If things were to end for the night at that point, I was fine. I could see her watching me expectantly, then she picked up a huge carnival stuffed dog of the floor & in a silly way she first pressed it to my chest where I was reclined a bit.
As I opened my eyes and looked at her she let herself down to be on top of me with the stuffed dog between us. (Weird barrier) Then the kissing began again with me pulling out the stuffed animal and we play-wrestled again, letting things escalate further. Then I was the one stopping things, mentioning that I had to get up early tomorrow so we should call her a cab.
She agreed, so I looked up cab companies online & selected one to call. Since she was sitting next to me, while I was waiting for someone to answer, I put my hand on Anna’s back and guided her down to be giving me head again. I heard the taxi guy answer but was a little distracted so I disconnected. She was pretty passionate and enthusiastically going down on me, it was late so I let her finish me to orgasm. I kissed her & told her she did awesome. She told me she had to work the next morning so I picked up the phone to call the cab again, this time giving the guy the addresses.[/private]
After I walked Stacy to her car, I was walking around the common when I spotted a girl sitting on the floor with a binder and a highlighter. She lit a cigg, and I took a few steps forward, stopped, and slightly turned my head and asked, “Excuse me, do you have an extra smoke?” She said that she did not and that she only had one more left. I told her that even if you were going to offer me that last one, I wouldn’t take it unless she kept insisting.
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This made her chuckle. I looked at the window of an art store and asked which one was hers. She said that she didn’t have one, but knowing what kind of school that Emerson College is known for, I made a comment about her being an artsy major.
After that, I sat down a few feet away from her. Keeping my distance, I didn’t face her yet, but asked what she was working on. She said that she is at school trying to be a speech therapist. I told her that I stutter and then that lead onto a great conversation. Her exam was about stuttering, actually. I told her about how despite my verbal handicap, I still managed to do everything in the performing arts that I’ve wanted to do. Thus, concluding that stuttering is a emotional/cognitive state.
She agreed to that. I then said that she had a good vibe and all that jazz, then I said to her that we should hang out. At first, she said that if I hang out here a lot, I’ll be sure to see her again. I told her that the chances of us running into each other is pretty slim. However, when we do, it might be fate. Her eyes seemed to brighten up.
Then I asked her to hang out with me again. Asking in statement form, though. Like, “We should go get coffee sometime and just chill in the common”.She looked downward, towards me then said that she has a boyfriend and he would probably not like it.
I smiled and said, “I said, ‘hang out’, not ‘date’.” Now, after I said that, she takes out her phone and said, “Ok, if that’s the fact, then yeah. It would be cool to hang out. Maybe grab a cup of coffee or something.”
I told her about how my apprentice and I go do magic outside on the commons on Sundays or Saturday day. She said that she hangs out there a lot and was hoping to go see me one day. That was nice. We’ve been texting each other since.
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“Look< i hate to admit it, but I have caused break-ups on more than one occasion…”
“Ya, I can tell. Your boyfriend already wants me.”
A little warm-up before going out on a clubbing night keeps the social wheels well lubed. Open some random people to get the momentum going & maybe you can hook a pivot girl for the night…[private]
Meeting two buddies at Fanueil Hall and we worked our way down the aisle. I need to take a squirt so we went looking for a Bathroom.
Outside of the entry door to the market place was a menu for the restaurant just inside. As we walked closer I saw the girl reading the menu by herself. One of the things we all learned is opening everybody no matter what… just to keep it as habit.
Without seeing her face yet, she could be stump-ugly for all I knew, so I just spun up next to her and started talking: “seen anything good, so far.” Now the thing is I just started talking before either of us saw each other’s face or eye contact or anything.
Before this, I saw she was petite, she had a good top of long blonde hair, and was dressed in fun looking contemp hip cloths. So yes that is what I qualified on up to this point, but there was no 3 second rule, no chance for either of us to start prejudging anything, just talk was going and our opinions would form at the rate of our dialog…
She turns around, turns out to be pretty cute. “Well, yeah it all looks good. Do they serve beer here?” She asks me.
“I would think so..”
“I guess yes, this is Mass, restaurants here can all can serve beer right?” Now that I hear she is from out of town, its time to cut the ‘menu’ thread.
“Oh yeah, where you from?” I ask
“Florida.” Which led to some common ground dialog for us, since I lived in Florida before. She lives in a completely different area but enough to get chatting about..
Listening to bits and pieces of why she is here, we chat it up for few. I saw her alone at the sign and now find out from out of town. On mini Vacation by herself? You know what that means!!! Girls get the Vegas vibe on any vacation. {‘What happens in Mass stays in Mass’ is gonna be going through a FL chick’s head at this point}
“What are you doing? Can I buy you a beer?” she asks.
I tell her: “Yeah. get us a table and order me a diet coke. I can stay for a few minutes..so I’ll be right back.” I hit the the bathroom and find my buds. I tell them I’ll need a few minutes and I’ll reconnect after this girl.
So spike her attraction, mostly listening, watching her talk while scanning her face. Watching her eyes, she sees me scan across her neck, up to her ears. I alternate looking at each of her eyes then down to her lips then to her eyes as I lick my lips, still just listening.
Keeping her talking was just about asking questions about her pleasurable subjects and interrupting her stories of bad things with unrelated random questions of good things. I want her to relate this time to good thoughts, happy thoughts.
We split a plate of some vegetable fra Diavlo and when I bring up the club I’m headed to, she says she wants to go but only has sneakers…
So I ask how long she is in MA for(couple days), then tell her of the next day’s club having the same dress code, so she gives me her number and tells me she’ll get the new shoes she saw that day… now that she has an excuse.., I give her a pinky promise to call & then a hug (at which she pecks my cheek)
My main point of this one, is how easy it is to roll when you don’t even see her much before you start talking. You don’t anticipate anything, she doesn’t either…you both come in talking and things roll as they do, easily.
Sure its like this: If you get talking and she is the type you are looking for: 10+ with an 11 personality(lol), then great, but if not that is great too. She will either be a friend, pivot or she was good practice to keep your momentum going.
As when C.J. steps into any venue, is welcomed with the word “unstoppable.”This rings through his thoughts as soon as he sees that he is in an environment to be interacting with women. This word keeps flashing through his thought board: (unstoppable.) This excites him full of life juice. He now knows there is no obstacle that can get between him and the goal that he loves the most: fun with women. When he walks into a party, [private]he always projects and ultra fun aura. Now that he is on the scene, the good times can really start.
I am thinking in my head: “Where ever I am is the place to be.”
You never know what adventure will be chased when hanging out with a CJ.
“The world is mine to enjoy.”
This love interaction is merely an ongoing session of batting practice. We are constantly interacting with women on a daily, and throughout daily perspective in a positive and self affirming way, it is all preparation. This is warming up so when the rate that comes along you are ready to hit that home run. Flirting with the girl who waits on you at the diner, receptionist, bank tellers… with every female you interact with. Even the old lady at the grocery store, you’re being so charming, polite, and establishing a momentary connection.
Even and especially if you’re not romantically interested in her — and in many cases you will not be — you do take the time to introduce yourself and say something to make her smile. Maybe you make her laugh. Her day will continue slightly better than if she never met you. You also distinguish yourself from ever every other guy she comes across.
If the waitress serves 100 customers in out day, it is you that she will remember next time you come in. You asked her name, took time to chat with her about her day, and referred her name several times through a conversation. Leaving a positive impression on every female you encounter. It’s amazing what a positive impression you can make simply by introducing yourself, expressing sincere interest in how her day has been going and paying her compliments.
When you put forth this positive energy, this is exactly what comes back to you on return. When you are charming and polite to waitress, she is going to give you the best possible service you can think of. Take those fun moments to establish a little connection with the pretty bartender and she will be the one to keep an eye out for you when you need a refill.
Start out with the understanding. Imagine if every single one of them has a pleasant opinion of you & have heard all the fun stories about you. She will be more likely remembering your name next time you visit and will be obviously willing to go the extra mile to help you out. When you are constantly eliciting positive reactions from women it does great things to boost your inter-state, your ego and your confidence. And it always seems easy when you are socially lubricated, say, when you’re warmed up. You feel good about your game and always in a constant state of readiness at a moments notice. Keeping this habit regular allows you to be operating at your peak level when the unbelievable bombshell crosses your path. You have been having friendly interactions with many women throughout the day so, instead of being anxious about talking to the gorgeous bunny just walking in the room, everything just comes naturally. You’ve been in the habit and momentum of regular practice your attitude becomes more relaxed, confident and shall pick up on the attitude which will also distinguish you from all the aggressive and over of obnoxious men she encounters.
Also by consistently doing this, you are acquiring new knowledge about women in general. Striking up many conversations throughout the day and keeping your detail attention on… you will learn so much about what interests them and as things that bother them. You see patterns and start to form an ‘in general’ field in you mind about women, which is nice, rapport seems easier to establish as this grows in you
I’m not so much talking about gaming the hired guns but think of this. When you go out to shop for clothes and the sales girl asks if you need any help, most guys have no intention of meeting people. Some may figure she has other things to attend to …so he just says ‘no thanks’ and moves along. But this is part of what makes her happy for her day having interesting and fun people to be of help to. Moving into the situation is fun with acknowledging her, giving her your friendly smile and just tell her: “right now just browsing the stacks.”
Maybe you compliment her on a positive aspect of her appearance, namely something she is wearing or has done to it. “That’s a really nice necklace you’re wearing. You mind if I ask where got it?” It could be anything that shows an interest is taken into how she looks. A pair of earrings, a matching outfit, or unique quality about her shoes. It doesn’t really matter… just to isolate one aspect of her appearance (that she worked on) and flatter about it. As a girl she will be more than happy to tell you where she discovered her ‘key find’ and this is a nice piece to file away for possible future reference.
Let’s say she bought it during a vacation in Jamaica. Now you have a little key point to reference during a future conversation with a woman. “That’s a nice necklace you’re wearing. I was talking to this girl he other day, and she had this cool necklace that she bought Jamaica.” Shows you are easygoing with women, and women travelers, which somewhat indicates qualities you have or like in others.
You could have just as easily complement to the sales girl on her hairstyle and said something like: “I really like your hair. A female friend is looking for a good hair salon.” If nothing else it is going to get the sales girl talking, which I think is very valuable skill to have. Learn how to get them talking and keep them furthering their points as you are paying attention to detail she mentions and filing away possible gems for later.
Without any “hired – gun’’ agenda, you will see how this takes a boatload of stress and/or pressure out of the interaction. You are just out shopping and making pleasant conversation with a girl who works there. So what if she is cute. Maybe you will want to take the conversation further and ask about cool shirts or jeans for men. This is part of her job and she will have fun showing you the latest fashions. Another great way to get tips in this area of your life. It is so easy to be casual, this encounters completely innocent without some of stresses that want to attach itself. You are not trying to pick her up, just reminding yourself you’re only lubricating your social gears. If you happen to feel like you really have a chemistry and want to see her again you can always ask for her phone number too.
By keeping this practice active, it all builds upon itself. Once a part of your daily routine, you become so comfortable around women and talking to a woman even for the first time in a day becomes something like second nature.
You will end up making great friends this way, and these are the ones who if you pay attention carefully enough will indicate all the inside tips you’ve been looking for. When I hear of guys having their ‘score count’ to be a priority, always looking for an SNL or a quick hook up, I know the strikeout ratio is higher on that level. This sort of approach with such a bad ratio of attempts to success …does seem like it’s going to have a large effect on your self-confidence and inner game. Since the success rate ratio would be the factor having a bad effect, this will cause you to become more desperate for success, maybe seemingly needy. On the other hand, by keeping regular chitchat with girls to be part of your habits, when the killer pitch comes at you you will be ready to hit it out of the park.[/private]
Heather announces “This is Jodie, she’s my princess….the coolest!”
Telling Jodie my name, I go on to [private] introduce myself, the group-hug them both. Then I ask Jodie what she likes best about Heather is? She tells me Heather looks out for her friends before looking out for herself, that she can make a party out of a board meeting, and that she is the sweetest girl ever.
“That’s sounds about right.” I tell them. “I like a party girl who takes care of who she loves.” and I give them both a high-five. In that simple move I have found out what I like to be in a girl to be in my life.
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…momentum while at a nightclub was that I asked her if she likes old landmarks. “You know those that have been there forever and you feel like you’re in an old Scorcese movie?” She tell me: “Yes” and I say: “Me too.”
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we finished them at the exact same time. Then I showed her in my expression that a phenomenal idea just popped in my head: “Have you heard of the Enormous Room?…That is exactly the type of place we were discussing, let’s go check it out. It’s right around the corner. Aw, what the hell. If we don’t like it, we can come right back, I’ll leave my tab open.”
All I did was to suggest something that I pre-qualified as an interest we shared. Ten minutes later we were splitting a combo appetizer plate, sitting on the bench-couches in the enormous room.
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Another great part of ‘socializing with the club’ or opening many groups was using the jealousy factor a step further with girls. My buddies used to love when I did this next part because it seemed as if someone was always getting laid the nights I did this.
Back when I lived in a place where it was easier to be bringing a bunch of people back to my place, late at night, and not be bothering any neighbors, this was great. As the night at the club was getting closer to when the club would close. I would ask a group of girls (that I been touching base with all night) what they were doing after the clubs closed. Usually they have no plans except maybe an all-night diner.Read more »
when interacting with new girls the goal is NOT to avoid potential conflict. It is good to act and indicate you are okay with having some conflict. Sometimes girls use this as one of their chick-tests to see how supplicating you are. She may not even feel strongly about an issue she is pressing, she may just be seeing how committed you are to your own views. If you can be strong against a sleight disagreement in options, how are you going to pioneer the two of you through the world?
When you have a strong identity, a strong sense of self, [private]you don’t worry about what she thinks. A strong man, a leader will freely hear any opposing views to his own views, he is comfortable with this. You have come to your conclusions and values from a very careful cost/reward process in your head. The mood swing of a beautiful woman cannot sway this judgment, she needs to know that. She will respect you more and therefore be more attracted.
Hearing any and all opposing views is very good to this. You can even rephrase what they have said with how they came to their conclusion: “I Hear that you feel X about Y and that is because of A, B, and C.”
Then they hear that you clearly heard them, yet no indication that you would change your perspective without the credible enough information that brought you to your first conclusion.
When a girl tells me these things, she is clear to know that her opinions and thoughts are not my top priority. She has to earn a place in my perspective and still have credible information for me to work with.
I think about what I like and what makes me feel good before worrying about her concerns of this nature. Women are built to be socially accommodating. Helping a man that she like enjoy himself does make her feel very good in itself. When she has proven herself to be up to speed, she will get some of the taking care of come back to her.
I don’t spend every moment to moment in our interactions trying to connect with her. It is okay to disconnect every so often. I am never worried that she might see something in me that might push her away. It is better for her to see such things so there are no surprises later. More than a trivial factor about a man that is a turn off, his confidence with his whole package is more attractive than anything else. Show yourself, warts and all.
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“I’ve got the greatest idea, we’re gonna love it.”
And ways to surprise her. Girls love playful surprises.
Girls love fun surprises and they love for guys to have all the details covered without asking them for ideas, then they can come along and just have a good time without her worrying if you’ll like her idea.
Team mentality or couple-hood dates are good. Ones where you are doing things together (not movies, no convo or playful flirting can happen all 2 hours of it.)
Ok, so Apollo and I went to a Stripclub. Not too dark, not too shady. They serve food and I have brought girls along many times before. Maybe the same type of girls I would welcome to splitting appetizers at Hooters.
While sitting and enjoying the show, you are going to [private]see the whole cast of strippers. They each do a few minute set, maybe 2 or 3 songs, then they stop so the next girl can come on.
In the stationary store, I get in line behind a cute girl with dreadlocks. Dreads aren’t my favorite hairstyle with chicks but her face and body were cute.
She turns my direction, smiling. I just say: “What’s up?” In the greeting way.
She asks: “Do you really want to know?”
So I ponder her question; “Well hold on a minute – let me think this through…(Pause)…I guess with a shareable cheer like that, how could I say no?”
She starts telling me about her semester. She is a sailing coach and kinda glad the semester is finally over.
I ask her if she misses sailing in general when classes end for the year. She tells me she does, then hands me a card for her other gig. Turns out she is a herbalist too.
Thanks for the number girl, I just don’t dig the dreads.
The girl with the nice well-defined ass & rock and roll hair. I passed her, she turned to me and I saw the first indicator. As I went to the milk, I turned around to walk back. She had turned her head to see me again and to let me see her so I would approach her so I had to [private] stop. “Hi. As I passed I thought you looked cool, but then I realized I would never know unless I stopped and said hi. Hi, I’m C.J. I just got out of class & I figured I better stop by here to pick up some cereal and hand lotion.”
As I checked out, I saw her down an aisle with her daughter. I walked down the aisle and said “hi I’m C.J. I thought you looked cool as I passed by you except I realized that I’d never know if you really were unless I came over to say hi.”
I considered that she might have a man, maybe a father to her daughter but I would never know unless I stopped and said hi. That way I could realize she is cool, we click and I get to enjoy that rock and roll attitude with the nice ass on a first hand basis. Even if she had a father to the daughter, she showed obvious interest and may have to be discreet which is fine with me.
As a real go getter, I know that I will never know the possibilities of what ‘could happen’ unless I make that painless walk over. This tells me everything I need to know. It is not even a pride issue. I need to feel out the prospects to know if they qualify to hang out with me more.
…so I have to ask her if she’s working with security tonight. She tells me [private]she is not what starts laughing when I tell her she had that authoritative security looked tonight. I then asked her if she do some crazy flying judo kick to anyone who stepped out of line. A few salsa moves get things close enough for me to run my fingers through the back of her hair. Within two minutes of this I converse with her close, face close instead of talking to her ear in a kiss can happen.[/private]
So I went out and met up with my NY buddy. He’s great to hang with, great conversationalist, and he lets me push him in or pull him into sets.
Just to increase the number of sets I open, I tried to do the: ‘Give $200 to your buddy who pays you $20 each time you open.’ This was great because it took ‘my pre-judgement of sets’ out of the equation. I didn’t care (as much) what the girl looked like, I was just running routine to get my 20 bucks.!
(I thought it was weird at first, but Dave would come up to me mid set and say: “Here’s that $20 I owe ya.” so I could just intro him in.)
Well that is the mindset. I would have my goal as I entered as $20, but of course I would stay in good sets, eject from the not-so, and make a few regular chick-friends in the process.
One of the last stops we made was where the Christian Science building is. Behind it there is a circle of water shooters all pointed to the center. As Dave and I walked up, I scanned the people sitting around it on the surrounding wall.
As we came in and looked at it, talked about the kids running through it, I turned to a blonde (who is behind me, since that is why I chose to stop walking here) sitting in the the sun and asked “Almost ready to run through?” I asked her. She laughed and said ”no way,”
“Okay good” as I start to empty my pockets into my backpack. “We need you to watch this stuff as we run through.” meaning Dave and myself. There was another brunette sitting about 10 feet away on the other side of the blonde. They don’t know each other, just two separate girls as far as I know, so far.
As the blond and I were talking and I see the brunette behind blonde, looking at me as I was speaking to the blonde, so I start to smile to the brunette every so often while I’m talking.
Then me and Dave run through the fountains, horse around with some of the kids playing, then make it back to the wall and somewhat dry off.
I have a new Iron Maiden shirt in my back pack so I can change out of my button down to put on a dry shirt. I re-open the conversation with the blond to take a picture of Dave and me. Then to show her how to use the camera I take a picture of her and Dave. Then she takes our picture and I get an idea:
I open the brunette by asking her to take a picture of Dave, me, and Blonde. I almost looked for another set to merge, but this felt good so far.
The brunette went back to her place by herself. While us 3 are chatting… just random comments between Dave, Blonde and myself.
At one point I ask the brunette if she’s ready to run through. When she says no I just swat my hand in her direction as if she’s no fun. “Forget you then..” I say in smiles to her but turn to Dave and the blond who are just chilling at this point to resume with them. At this point Dave is laying back and blonde is in her iPod.
While I sat down & looked next to me at blond and saw her pull the iPod earphone out of her ear as if I was talking and she couldn’t hear. I wasn’t saying anything yet but just took the cue and started rambling about the fountain.
In learning that she was a pharmacist and had a long day of training from her pharmacy, it was cool and all but I wasn’t hooked yet. I did see brunette looking over every once in a while, so the first little attention fade blonde gave me, I rolled off, stood up walked a few steps to the brunette and opened her.
Now this 2nd girl was great. First I saw how eager she was to my open after rolling out of the other set. Turns out although she was a little less stereotype good looking as the blond could be pegged for, this brunette really caught my attention, was more interesting and we had some good commonalities.
I told her how “I was going to stop last second and let Dave run it by himself, but as I got closer …it actually looks like a lot of fun”
We small talked until I heard. I gave her a ‘what should he do’ story. She was giving answers of: “I don’t know that could be tricky…”
I started to turn away a little bit, then turned back as I thought of something: “You know I would’ve agreed with you but one point my buddy brought up was how people expect opportunity to land in their lap, but a lot of times it lands just near by (as I am signaling towards the other side of the blond where I was sitting) and you just have to notice it to seize it.” as I motion to myself.
She nodded yes then asked me “What do you do?” I gave her some jokes, then told her being a (my name) is a full time job. I told her of moving here and some places where I’ve lived. She lived in a different part of the cape as I did, but we agreed on factors of it. She then jumped from there telling me what she does. I think she was excited to share it, who wouldn’t be…
“What?!, Your a Dolphin trainer?? I can’t hang out with you, I do Improv and you’ll always be trying to upstage me with your fish.” I started to get up as If I was really leaving because of this. Not stand but turn my body and put my feet like I was, while straightening up.
“From Falmouth to Boston, eh?” I laughed.
“What part of the cape did you live in,”She asked. Love it! She reinvests herself with something to get me talking. I start to tell her then cut myself off. “I wasn’t sure at first, but you seem like you have a cool energy, MIGHT make a good friend….” I just look perplexed at her like I’m trying to size her up right now and as if she is supposed to reply.
She shifts a bit in her seat. “Its a shame Dave and I have to go, my swing dance class starts soon…” I pause an look as if I am thinking something over. ..
“Alright (in agreeing tone) do you have a cell phone?” Its next to her, she shows me. I take it from her to punch in my number, “I’ll give you my number, since my phone is all the way over there.”I point to my backpack.she takes it back to put it on: ‘new contact.’ .
“Yeah, but I won’t call you.” at least she’s honest. “Ok then lets do this,” (as if it was any different that what I was already going to do.)
“I’ll call your number through, and tell my voicemail what your like so far.” So I do call it through and describe her in the most teasing way with what I knew about her. “Here is *****’s number. Adventurous enough to swim with dolphins, but too ‘scaredy-cat’ to run through the sprinkler, figure that out.”
As I get up I tell her I’ll call her tomorrow since my weekend gets crazy. “Maybe you can come along, or we’ll grab lunch next week.”
Funny thing was. As I walked to get my bag where Dave was sitting (he still hadn’t plowed on with blondie, she was a bit too reserved conversationally) and it was the first time I saw how it was okay to number close two girls in sight of each other. ”You seem like you’d be kinda cool if we picked this up on day you haven’t had 8 hours of training. You better give me your number if you want to pick this up another day…”
“Yeah it was long.” She tells me, so I take out my cell.
“What is it?” and she gave me her number.
Look. I don’t know if either of them are going to be my type of girl, I don’t know them well enough, but I probably wont call the blonde. She was boring, and I only asked # to see what she would say. I was curious to how strong that jealousy thing inside of girls does work. I’m sure it works different with different girls.
These were two 1 sets we merged, and Dave wasn’t playing.
Blonde didn’t make it to want to call her again, & we’ll see how dolphin chick makes it in the next round.
Rather than coming in with a goal of success, I clearly stated that I wanted the opposite. Approaching a few girls I said:
“Hey could you guys blow us out. We have to get blown out.”
When they ask what it is. “Well we are going to get into some conversations & you can be totally rude or something.”
This definitely caught them by surprise and they were very warm for the conversation.
You see, enjoying the moments at hand rather than going in with one outcome desired to define your success to yourself, makes a huge difference in the tempo you set and the one they receive.
Go into these conversations just to enjoy them in the moments that they are, she will too enjoy this and that in itself will lead to results better coming along than if your dependency on a single outcome affects your felt energy.
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